Mastro consignors not paid yet?

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by three25hits

A consignor sends a card to Mastro
Mastro auctions the card
Mastro ships the card to the buyer
Mastro doesn't pay the consignor
The new owner of the card just auctioned it on ebay
The new new owner now has the card
Mastro continues to not pay the consignor


This completely sucks. While its funny to watch the apologists in this thread try to find ways to justify, explain and/or lessen the impact of mastro/legendary's actions -- it isn't one bit funny what mastro/legendary is doing to the consignors or what they are doing to the hobby.

Shame on mastro/legendary.

I've said it before, there is no new owner and there is no new new owner. Until the consignor gets paid, he is still the owner. As such, the consignor ultimately has little risk (outside of the payment delay and such) since if he doesn't get paid he legally gets his card(s) back. Remember, until he gets paid it's still a consignment.

[three25hits]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

I've said it before, there is no new owner and there is no new new owner. Until the consignor gets paid, he is still the owner. As such, the consignor ultimately has little risk (outside of the payment delay and such) since if he doesn't get paid he legally gets his card(s) back. Remember, until he gets paid it's still a consignment.

I am not sure I get your point. The consignor doesn't have the card in hand. Mastro shipped it to the winner. The winner just sold it on ebay, and shipped it to the ebay-winner.

The consignor doesn't have the cash, and doesn't have the card. Where is there little risk? Mastro can't send him the card back, they have already sold it to someone else. That someone else has since sold the card?

Who is going to go get the card from the ebay buyer?

[Rob D.]

To take Brian's point further: What happens if, after I pay for a card that I bought in a Mastro auction, I destroy it (or, more realistically, it accidentally gets destroyed)?

If the answer is that I have to make restitution of the selling price to the original consignor -- in effect paying for the card twice, once to Mastro and again to the consignor -- then you might want to try to come up with something better.

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

I've said it before, there is no new owner and there is no new new owner. Until the consignor gets paid, he is still the owner. As such, the consignor ultimately has little risk (outside of the payment delay and such) since if he doesn't get paid he legally gets his card(s) back. Remember, until he gets paid it's still a consignment.

I am sure this consignor feels that he is in a little risk situation. Probably not worried at all.

[egbeachley]

He needs to put in a legal claim for return of his consignment.

[three25hits]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

He needs to put in a legal claim for return of his consignment.

Whenever I am making legal claims, I always think to myself -- no risk at all, its just a little payment delay & such...

[egbeachley]

Think of it this way. When has the "Title" to the card transferred from the consignor. Answer: It hasn't.

Yes, the buyer is at risk.

Here's an example that's more common, but very similar. My car is worth $10,000. I sell it to you for that price and give you the car. I don't pay off the bank for the loan on the car. A couple months later you get a knock on the door from the bank asking for their car back. Guess who gets the car?

I should add a link proving this.

[Rob D.]

That example isn't similar at all. Unlike in a consignor/auctioneer relationship, the bank didn't authorize you to sell the car on its behalf.

This isn't worth debating with you, simply because your points and assumptions have little to no merit. I'll let someone else continue this lesson in frustration.