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Old 06-06-2009, 12:35 PM
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He was fairly expired by the late 1960's.

I think he also ran a clothing store in Philly.
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Old 06-06-2009, 12:48 PM
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I used to own some photos from the 1940s of Bender instructing some minor leaguers. He was in his A's uniform while the minor leaguers were in "Pioneers" uniforms.
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Maybe he scouted for Sitting Bull.

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Old 06-06-2009, 01:12 PM
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J B is right... the Chief had departed us in 1954. Maybe he had a son that did something in the Reds organization, and they called him 'Chief' too. Aren't there any Reds fans any more??


I just found this, and this would be the guy I recall hearing on the radio, he never made it to the majors, he had a 66-40 record in 9 seasons in the minors:

Longtime Reds Scout Bender Dies

Former farm director spent 39 years with Reds organization

FROM: MLB.com ~
By Mark Sheldon

CLEARWATER, Fla.

A revered member of the Reds' organization passed away
Wednesday, when former farm director Sheldon "Chief"
Bender died at Fort Hamilton Hospital in Ohio. He was 88.

Bender died at Fort Hamilton Hospital in Ohio. He spent 64
years in baseball as a player, manager and executive -- the
last 39 of them with Cincinnati. Funeral arrangements were
incomplete.

As the organization's Minor League director from 1967-89,
Bender was brought in by general manager Bob Howsam
and presided over a bountiful system that provided the seed
for the Big Red Machine. Johnny Bench, Dave Concepcion,
Ken Griffey Sr. and Don Gullett later became stars in the
1970s.

Howsam died last week of heart failure at the age of 89.

"In the last three months we lost three very special men in
Chief, Joe Nuxhall and Bob Howsam," Reds owner and CEO
Bob Castellini said in a statement. "Each left his own legacy here,
and they all made very important contributions to the success
of our proud franchise. Our thoughts and prayers are with their
families."

Players later developed under Bender included Mario Soto, Tom
Browning, Paul O'Neill, Ron Oester, Chris Sabo, Eric Davis and
Barry Larkin.

In 1990, Bender became the senior advisor for player development.
He retired in 2005, but remained a frequent visitor at Great
American Ball Park.

A World War II veteran who earned a Purple Heart during his
service, Bender played and managed in the Minor Leagues for 12
seasons [1]. From 1948-66, he was with the Cardinals' organization.

To honor him in 2002, the Reds renamed their Minor League
Player of the Year to the Sheldon "Chief" Bender Award.
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[1] Bender was a player with St.Louis Cardinals, Cincinnati Reds, New York
Giants and Philadelphia organizations, from 1938-4, 1946-53 and 1957. He
was both a pitcher and an infielder.
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Old 06-06-2009, 01:46 PM
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here are some scans from the note book.. please give me your thoughts..
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:15 PM
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Norbert Dundon was a catcher for the 1927 Johnstown Johnnies of the Middle Atlantic League... the Pennsylvania team had 2 managers that year, Babe Adams and Chief Bender. Bender hit .227 in 20 games, pitched in 18 games, won 7 lost 3, had a 1.33 ERA.

If it were me, I'd try to contact a librarian in Johnstown, PA. See if you could send them some money for looking at some 1927 newspapers for that first week of August. See if the weather matches, and the box scores. Maybe you can find a link to August 1927 Sporting News, and see if they have the delayed box scores.

1927 seems to be the last year Dundon was in organized ball. I think what you have there are notes that Bender made to himself as he managed the team. So those aren't scouting reports, those are manager's notes.
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:29 PM
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Norbert Dundon was a catcher for the 1927 Johnstown Johnnies of the Middle Atlantic League... the Pennsylvania team had 2 managers that year, Babe Adams and Chief Bender. Bender hit .227 in 20 games, pitched in 18 games, won 7 lost 3, had a 1.33 ERA.

If it were me, I'd try to contact a librarian in Johnstown, PA. See if you could send them some money for looking at some 1927 newspapers for that first week of August. See if the weather matches, and the box scores. Maybe you can find a link to August 1927 Sporting News, and see if they have the delayed box scores.

1927 seems to be the last year Dundon was in organized ball. I think what you have there are notes that Bender made to himself as he managed the team. So those aren't scouting reports, those are manager's notes.

i think you are right.. i just found the 1927 roster, and the pitcher-catcher combinations match up.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/mi...m.cgi?id=21430

because these are not signed by bender, would they still hold any value?
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:48 PM
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the 3 pages i have all have Bender's name hand written as the pitcher in one of the box scores. .. the backs of 2 of them are addresses.

so would it be fair to say a value would be $75 - $100?
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Old 06-06-2009, 02:26 PM
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The Reds scout wasn't any relation to the pre war HOFer Chief Bender. Here's an interesting tidbit from wikipedia on the subject:

Many believed he was nicknamed in honor of Hall of Famer Charles "Chief" Bender, a Native American and star pitcher of the Philadelphia Athletics of the early 20th century; however according to his grandson, Eric Muller, Bender earned the nickname after his Navy rank as a chief petty officer. Bender was originally advised to use the nickname by Cardinals executive Bing Devine, who told him, "No one will remember the name 'Sheldon,' but people will remember 'Chief.'"

Click here to read the rest of the wikipedia entry.

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maybe he scouted for sitting bull.

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Old 06-07-2009, 07:40 AM
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Nice business card. There are a bunch of cards from Bender's clothing store floating around out there, too.
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Old 06-07-2009, 07:49 AM
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Nice business card.

I think that the Chief circled numbers for Johnstown wins, and boxed the numbers for Johnstown loses. Those running totals of wins and loses seem too low for that late in the season, so it those numbers may well reflect the won - loss record for the Johnnies while the Chief was their manager.

If you get ready to sell one of those, I'd like one, please sir.

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