Bloome's Chocolate OP for Sale

[Kotton King]

For me it's a fear as a result of the Patrick Chan incident that has me scared of overprints. I wonder if other collectors feel the same way?

[Leon]

Eric- Maybe a few newbies will be scared away. Folks that have been collecting a long time, and have gotten overprints from original collections, shouldn't be scared.I would be much more worried about mint or nrmt-mt pre-war cards than overprints.....but I am biased too ....The Blomes is the most common E94 Overprint by far.....so collectors of overprints might very well already have this one. If anyone who is scared wants to sell your overprints cheap I am a cash buyer....send them my way, please!!

[Kotton King]

Originally Posted by Leon

Eric- Maybe a few newbies will be scared away.

I definitely still consider myself a noob. I've only been in the hobby for 2 1/2 years and I've still got plenty to learn.

Originally Posted by Leon

Folks that have been collecting a long time, and have gotten overprints from original collections, shouldn't be scared.I would be much more worried about mint or nrmt-mt pre-war cards than overprints

Good point. Provenance would definitely help.


Anyway, sorry for hijacking your thread Mike. Good luck with your sale, and I hope everything works out for you and your family.

[E93]

I would be much more worried about mint or nrmt-mt pre-war cards than overprints.....but I am biased too

I would be much more worried about a complete run of E94 overprints than some nm or better pre-war cards. Producing a few stamps is a lot easier than turning vg corners into nm/mt corners. Trimming is pretty easy to detect these days.
JimB

[rman444]

I don't think the issue is whether or not most or all of the current ones that exist today are real.

I think the issue is whether or not one could reproduce an accurate overprint today or in the near future.

[V117collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

I would be much more worried about mint or nrmt-mt pre-war cards than overprints.....but I am biased too

Leon, can you please elaborate, not sure I understand your quote

[Leon]

Jim- yeah, just look at all of those fake overprints in holders that are floating around.

Brad- it is common knowledge that in early hobby years there weren't so many pristine pre-war cards. It is also common knowledge that trimming is rampant in our hobby much more so than faking an overprint. Even though 2 fake overprints have been caught recently it pales in comparison to altered cards in general, imo.

Here is my look when I see a high grade pre-war graded card-

Mike- sorry to carry on in your thread but maybe you will get more publicity this way. For the record there has only been 1 fake E94 overprint ever found.....I doubt we can say that about high grade trimmed cards.

[arcadekrazy]

No, I don't mind keeping this thread near the top

In the interest of creating an arbitrage opportunity, I'll cut the price to $850.00. I would really rather not list this on eBay (I HATE eBay with a passion!).

[V117collector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Brad- it is common knowledge that in early hobby years there weren't so many pristine pre-war cards. It is also common knowledge that trimming is rampant in our hobby much more so than faking an overprint. Even though 2 fake overprints have been caught recently it pales in comparison to altered cards in general, imo. :

Leon, Don't want to be biased; is there a more common type that is prone for this claims "trimming/altering" such as T206's.

[Leon]

Any pre-war card is prone to altering.....In my opinion, which is not always the most popular, the higher the grade the more prone to alteration. Since T206's are probably the widest collected tobacco series I guess they would be more suspect....but to me that is based on the greater supply of them. Third party grading by a reputable grading company will catch the large majority of alterations.

Just my opinion too but if you collect grades 1-5, and have them graded by a good grading company, you are much less likely to have altered cards in your collection. Again, just my opinion.

[chaddurbin]

rman--u and ur crazy future technology talk. if in the near future a stamp can be made to duplicate the OP, then in the distant future after that a time machine will be created where *I* can go back to 1910-1911 and scoop up all the MINT t206s and MINT m131 cobbs/wagners...who'll be laughing then?

i thought the 2 hof e94 OPs wagner/speaker in REA were bargains for the eventual owner. the e94 set price did not get a big premium because of the 2 cards like i thought it would. maybe i always overpay so i overvalued those cards. tbob/jkras/cabal did well on those, congrats!