REA reveals a 24 year mystery....the PIEDMONT Plank

tedzan · #1 05-04-2009, 06:57 PM

One card is on page 4 and the other is on page 5 of this thread. Click onto the REA auction....lot #890 for the Piedmont Plank.
The proof mark is most noticeable in the REA picture. The other two require the use of a magnifier.

TED Z

E93 · #2 05-04-2009, 07:35 PM

Richard,
There is no Plank on the five card strip. It has Wagner, Young, M. Brown, and a couple of commons.
JimB

tedzan · #3 05-05-2009, 06:31 AM

How many Wagner's exist with Piedmont backs ?

Best regards,

TED Z

Brian Weisner · #4 05-05-2009, 06:50 AM

Hi Ted,
That depends on how many uncut sheets or "printer's samples" made it out the back door...

Be well Brian

PS So far we only have 2 Piedmont Wagner's and 3 Plank's, but more may show up....

tedzan · #5 05-05-2009, 02:46 PM

Why do you doubt that the Piedmont Plank's are proofs ?

All 3 Plank's we have accounted for in this thread have the identical proof mark on the top border as does this repro
example of the Eddie Collins' proof.

Here's a "twist"......perhaps Collins, Plank and Wagner were all on the same sheet. And, when American Caramel Co.
prevented American Litho. from issuing Collins and Plank....Wagner was discarded in the process. I find it more than
just coincidental that the same number of Piedmont Plank's equals the same number of Piedmont Wagner's.

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TED Z

Brian Weisner · #6 05-05-2009, 04:22 PM

Hi Ted,
Perhaps we are splitting hairs, but I don't consider any cards with ad's on the back as proofs... I have always thought that Wagner and Plank were probably on the same sheet, but I have never had the evidence to prove it.
As far as the printer's mark goes... I have several examples of T205's and T206's with the same marks on more than one side. I will try to post a few when I have time, but anyone who owns an Irv Young will see these marks on 3-4 sides.... Be well Brian[IMG]

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ethicsprof · #7 05-05-2009, 08:17 PM

Brian W. (tarheel bud),
i have gazed at my 2 irv young's (one from my favorite Lionel Carter Collection) thousands of times and have never noticed the marks before.
i quickly went to look at them with the help of a wee bit of a magnifier
(due to 58 years) and saw them with great glee.
many,many thanks.
once again, i sit humbly at your feet.

best,

barry

E93 · #8 05-06-2009, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

How many Wagner's exist with Piedmont backs ?

Best regards,

TED Z

There are two confirmed (the Gretzky and the one Mastro auctioned about 8 years ago). There are rumors of a third. There was an auction for one listed in TTS many years ago without a photo. Nobody knows what happened to it. Leon might have some information on that one.
JimB

tedzan · #9 05-06-2009, 01:03 PM

Ole buddy....while I agree with you....not all "proofs" are back-less. As you know, most of these proofs
from the 350/460 Series have Sweet Cap 460 Factory 30 backs.

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Best regards,

TED Z

justmike · #10 05-06-2009, 01:27 PM

Wow that Johnson proof is awesome.Do you own that card.
Mike

Brian Weisner · #11 05-06-2009, 02:17 PM

Hi Ted,
As you know.... The Johnson was part of a group of about 30 cards which didn't make it all the way through the printing process. Most of these "printer's scraps" only received the first 2-3 colors of the process, thus they appear as black and yellow with a touch of brown.
I don't consider any of these proofs, only printer's scrap....

Be well Brian