91 Topps Variations

[sbfinley]

With help from Chad and Patrick I was able to recently add #22 Storm Davis with Registration Mark and a manager back #659 Oscar Azocar. If anyone has a A*B* back that Patrick needs from his list let me know I'll buy it for him as I owe him one. I'm also assuming that all wrong manager backs will be glow like this one? Or should I be on the lookout a no glue manager back?

[CMGsBBCs]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

With help from Chad and Patrick I was able to recently add #22 Storm Davis with Registration Mark and a manager back #659 Oscar Azocar. If anyone has a A*B* back that Patrick needs from his list let me know I'll buy it for him as I owe him one. I'm also assuming that all wrong manager backs will be glow like this one? Or should I be on the lookout a no glue manager back?

Glad to help. Haven't gotten to busting any more Cello yet... just the occasional loose rack pack.

I think I've decided to put together 3 binders...
-1- 1-792 - Glow Back
-2- 1-792 - No-Glow Back
-3- Bold Backs (Glow and No-Glow back)

I've been leaving space for just about all of the errors/variations (but not the A*B* backs save for #83 Boston)... but now I need to figure out if they exist in both Glow and No-Glow backs. The three Storm Davis with (R) mark I recently pulled (all from one cello box), for example, is a no-glow back... but does it also exist in Glow back? ...are there Hoiles, Drabek, Whiten in both backs? Gets kind of nuts at this point, right?

Now that I'm typing this out, it's making me re-think and maybe just put the variations in the Bold binder... Not worry about them in the Glow/No-Glow sets and just have the most readily available (or preferably corrected version) and go straight through 1-792.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by CMGsBBCs

Glad to help. Haven't gotten to busting any more Cello yet... just the occasional loose rack pack.

I think I've decided to put together 3 binders...
-1- 1-792 - Glow Back
-2- 1-792 - No-Glow Back
-3- Bold Backs (Glow and No-Glow back)

I've been leaving space for just about all of the errors/variations (but not the A*B* backs save for #83 Boston)... but now I need to figure out if they exist in both Glow and No-Glow backs. The three Storm Davis with (R) mark I recently pulled (all from one cello box), for example, is a no-glow back... but does it also exist in Glow back? ...are there Hoiles, Drabek, Whiten in both backs? Gets kind of nuts at this point, right?

Now that I'm typing this out, it's making me re-think and maybe just put the variations in the Bold binder... Not worry about them in the Glow/No-Glow sets and just have the most readily available (or preferably corrected version) and go straight through 1-792.

No I don't think it does. I believe the glow and no glow backs were printed seperately. I have four with the full registration mark and five with the partial registration mark and they are all no glow backs.

[CMGsBBCs]

Originally Posted by Pat R

No I don't think it does. I believe the glow and no glow backs were printed seperately. I have four with the full registration mark and five with the partial registration mark and they are all no glow backs.

I also assume that the Glow and No-Glow backs were printed separately, whether at a different facility or just at a separate time with the "different" ink... but they were absolutely packaged together, whether in packs or factory sets. The one factory set I opened had both Glow & No-Glow backs (all cards from certain sheets were the same). There must have been some batch system with printing, then perhaps they were cut and/or packed at a different time/faclity and packed with the "other" sheets printed at a separate time/facility.

I think moving the variations to my "Bolds" binder will make the most sense... So much tedious fun ahead switching these cards around... again...

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by CMGsBBCs

I also assume that the Glow and No-Glow backs were printed separately, whether at a different facility or just at a separate time with the "different" ink... but they were absolutely packaged together, whether in packs or factory sets. The one factory set I opened had both Glow & No-Glow backs (all cards from certain sheets were the same). There must have been some batch system with printing, then perhaps they were cut and/or packed at a different time/faclity and packed with the "other" sheets printed at a separate time/facility.

I think moving the variations to my "Bolds" binder will make the most sense... So much tedious fun ahead switching these cards around... again...

Yes the glow and no glow were packed together but by sheet codes only If you open a full box the packs may have a mix of glow and no glow but all the sheet code will be the same for instance you may open a pack that has A*, B*, E* and F* with glow backs and C* and D* are no glow all the packs will almost always follow that pattern.

[jacksoncoupage]

I'm wrapping up another master set down to my last few variations needed and realizing that I have not seen a Randy Bush without D* for sale in ages.

[CMGsBBCs]

I just wanted everyone to know I'll be posting my big pulls on eBay then retiring... I just started to open a new cello box of 1991 Topps and in the first pack, I pulled a double jackpot pulling two vintage gems in one pack!

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Can't wait to see what the rest of the box brings!

Edit... 10 minutes later... Pack #4 had a Whiten Hand Over (with a very obvious scratch on the front)... Pack #6 had a Storm Davis WITH ®... so, a nice top row of packs.
Two previous cello boxes I opened, First had a Hand Over Whiten, but Davis with no ®... Second had 3 Storm Davis WITH ®, but Whiten was hand under.
Saving the rest for later (but not too much later with these two possibilities in the last 18 packs)

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by CMGsBBCs

I also assume that the Glow and No-Glow backs were printed separately, whether at a different facility or just at a separate time with the "different" ink... but they were absolutely packaged together, whether in packs or factory sets. The one factory set I opened had both Glow & No-Glow backs (all cards from certain sheets were the same). There must have been some batch system with printing, then perhaps they were cut and/or packed at a different time/faclity and packed with the "other" sheets printed at a separate time/facility.

I think moving the variations to my "Bolds" binder will make the most sense... So much tedious fun ahead switching these cards around... again...

I'm now certain that they were printed seperately and I'm pretty sure it was at a different facility or at least a different location within the same facility.

I can tell with about 40% of the 792 cards if they're glow or no glow backs just by looking at the fronts based on consistent stray recurring print marks.

Here are a few examples and it doesn't matter if they came from an early or late box.

John Franco with a light green spot 24 glow backs all have it 15 no glow backs none have it

91 Topps John Franco glow flaw.jpg

Mike Stanton white dot by circle in topps logo 29 glow backs all have it 10 no glow backs none have it

91 Topps Mike Stanton glow no glow variations.jpg

Alvin Davis light blue slash in right blue border 28 glow backs all have it 14 no glow backs none have it

91 Topps Alvin Davis glow-no glow variation.jpg


also the the #374 Larry Casain that's listed as a variation isn't a true variation the blemishes were never airbrushed out all of the no glow backs have them and none of the glow backs have them.