91 Topps Variations

[CMGsBBCs]

I've been peering into this 1991 Topps rabbit hole for a little while... and I've seen all the info about the printing variations, error/corrected stats, A*B*, E*F*/F* sheet variation cards (which I probably won't seek out). I'm just trying to confirm the back BOLD and GLOW variations. I know the A & B sheet cards are the only ones with the bold back logo, so 264 cards (if you count the managers, which most don't, but probably the same boldness, just not as obvious because no logo so minimal red is printed over anything).

Are all the bold back cards glow backs?

... and am I assuming that all the other 792 cards are available in both glow & non-glow?

So is my count correct (not counting "other variations") that there should be
792 Non-bold Glow back
792 Non-bold, NON-Glow
...sorry, I don't have the following number off the top of my head...
250-something Bold Back Glow Back
250-something Bold Back NON-Glow back?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by CMGsBBCs

I've been peering into this 1991 Topps rabbit hole for a little while... and I've seen all the info about the printing variations, error/corrected stats, A*B*, E*F*/F* sheet variation cards (which I probably won't seek out). I'm just trying to confirm the back BOLD and GLOW variations. I know the A & B sheet cards are the only ones with the bold back logo, so 264 cards (if you count the managers, which most don't, but probably the same boldness, just not as obvious because no logo so minimal red is printed over anything).

Are all the bold back cards glow backs?

... and am I assuming that all the other 792 cards are available in both glow & non-glow?

So is my count correct (not counting "other variations") that there should be
792 Non-bold Glow back
792 Non-bold, NON-Glow
...sorry, I don't have the following number off the top of my head...
250-something Bold Back Glow Back
250-something Bold Back NON-Glow back?

I'm doing a checklist of all of my Glow/Non glow and Bold Glow/Bold Non glow backs. So far I have finished about 1/3 of the 792 cards plus the variations and in my personal experience the Non-glow backs are less common than the glow backs and with some cards far less common.

Here are a few examples

#146 Dan Plasac 34 glow 3 non-glow
#150 Cal Ripken 34 glow 5 non-glow
#253 Gary Templeton 36 glow 5 non-glow


#71 Jim Acker 12 bold glow 1 bold non-glow
#188 Damon Berryhill 13 bold glow 2 bold non-glow
#220 Tim Wallach 11 bold glow 2 bold non-glow

[CMGsBBCs]

Originally Posted by Pat R

I'm doing a checklist of all of my Glow/Non glow and Bold Glow/Bold Non glow backs. So far I have finished about 1/3 of the 792 cards plus the variations and in my personal experience the Non-glow backs are less common than the glow backs and with some cards far less common.

Here are a few examples

#146 Dan Plasac 34 glow 3 non-glow
#150 Cal Ripken 34 glow 5 non-glow
#253 Gary Templeton 36 glow 5 non-glow


#71 Jim Acker 12 bold glow 1 bold non-glow
#188 Damon Berryhill 13 bold glow 2 bold non-glow
#220 Tim Wallach 11 bold glow 2 bold non-glow

I've opened a few 1991 Topps items lately, A 100 count Jumbo pack (no bolds, glow/no glow mix), some 40 count Jumbo packs (no bolds, glow/no glow mix), some 45 count Rack packs (no bolds, I think mostly no glow), and for years I've had some cello boxes (34/pack) sitting around.

All of my cello packs have had all bold sheet A & B cards in one grouping in the back of the pack. All are Glow. But it does sound like if I want to get what I'll consider my "master" set, I'll have to do some looking for Bold, no-glow backs.

All of the cards in the 34/pk cello that could have statistical errors have them, so I'm assuming these were "early" boxes. In the first box, I got a Whiten hand over, but the Storm Davis had no registration mark. In the second box, the Whiten was hand under, but I got two Storm Davis with a registration mark. Boyd (pink corner in cello, hand over in a rack). Hoiles (black border in all so far), Drabek (none in box 1, black in box 2). I'm sure I got all of these from the same estate auction, probably in the late 1990s or early 2000s... So it seems the consistency of some of these print variations may be random and not found in any specific pack type.

I cut the tape on a factory set, but haven't decided whether to pull these cards out as they have been factory packed (AKA, the ribbed edge look, where when humans sort them, the edges are even). So I guess I'll just dig in there and see where things are... I think someone said the sets are all glow, so I guess I'll see, but I assume "data" on the complete sets is pretty well known.

I'm guessing, opening the rest of my 34/pk Cello, could pay for what I could get for them if I get more Davis or Whiten cards, but I guess I won't hold out hope for Drabek or Hoiles. (but then I'd have to put them all in order)

[butchie_t]

I have 6 cello boxes gathering dust and going nowhere fast. I guess I'd be better off opening them and seeing what is in them than what they are doing now.

Then maybe I can help with your master set. Because, they are not doing me any good and taking up space.

What/how do you look for this back stuff? These are early deliveries and I have seen some stat errors and other variations in these, I had 10 boxes at one time.

Anyway, if you are interested, I'd be happy to bust cello for you.

Cheers,

Butch

[judsonhamlin]

If anyone comes up with a Randy Bush no print code variation, please shoot me a PM. One of the few verified variants I have struck out on. Thx

[CMGsBBCs]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

I have 6 cello boxes gathering dust and going nowhere fast. I guess I'd be better off opening them and seeing what is in them than what they are doing now.

Then maybe I can help with your master set. Because, they are not doing me any good and taking up space.

What/how do you look for this back stuff? These are early deliveries and I have seen some stat errors and other variations in these, I had 10 boxes at one time.

Anyway, if you are interested, I'd be happy to bust cello for you.

Cheers,

Butch

This is not a priority build for me (as it is a 34 year old set)... and I still have 4-5 more Cello boxes myself. I'm not going all in and I won't get into trying to get the sheet code variations (some cards are printed with one sheet or two sheet letters... and some with no sheet, some being very rare). The Stat Error cards are common enough for me to complete (aside from the Joe Morgan, but I'll try)... and same for the border variations & Boyd logo variations... but I'm not personally interested in the sheet code stuff being pretty various and rare.

I will try to look for some of these sheet variations as I open my boxes, but it's not one I'll try to go out of my way to find. If I do find one or the rare ones, I'll try and make it available here. I do have an extra Storm Davis with Registration mark, if anyone is currently looking for it... and I should have duplicates of most BOLD GLOW backs by the time I'm done.

Not looking forward to the sorting process for these, but that's what we do...

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by CMGsBBCs

This is not a priority build for me (as it is a 34 year old set)... and I still have 4-5 more Cello boxes myself. I'm not going all in and I won't get into trying to get the sheet code variations (some cards are printed with one sheet or two sheet letters... and some with no sheet, some being very rare). The Stat Error cards are common enough for me to complete (aside from the Joe Morgan, but I'll try)... and same for the border variations & Boyd logo variations... but I'm not personally interested in the sheet code stuff being pretty various and rare.

I will try to look for some of these sheet variations as I open my boxes, but it's not one I'll try to go out of my way to find. If I do find one or the rare ones, I'll try and make it available here. I do have an extra Storm Davis with Registration mark, if anyone is currently looking for it... and I should have duplicates of most BOLD GLOW backs by the time I'm done.

Not looking forward to the sorting process for these, but that's what we do...

Ok cool, thanks.

Just throwing the offer in case you were interested.

What is the Morgan stat error BTW?

Cheers,

B.T.

[CMGsBBCs]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

Ok cool, thanks.

Just throwing the offer in case you were interested.

What is the Morgan stat error BTW?

Cheers,

B.T.

The Joe Morgan MGR error is with the stats on the back, there are multiple variations (if you ask some), but the main/rare error is that it lists Wade Boggs HITS as 87, instead of 187. Apparently, it's one of the toughest to come by.

I've also heard of other "variations" where the 1 in 187 is misaligned, either higher or lower than it should be. That's not something I would seek out, but if I happened to notice it, I'd set it aside.