1965 Topps Series 6 semi-high Sheet Reconstruction

[Kevvyg1026]

left of Angels RS

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[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

left of Angels RS

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I have Tony Cloninger to the left of this Angels Rookie Stars card in post #6. I have looked everywhere I could think of and the supply of miscuts on this series has completely dried up. This is going to be much more difficult than the 1966 6th Series.

[Cliff Bowman]

A couple of new ones from the wasteland of 1965 Topps 6th Series. Don Pavletich is to the right of Clete Boyer so I was wrong about it being Richie Allen. Pavletich is definitely a 4x so that means C Boyer is a 4x even though he has relatively low quantities. Too bad there aren't more of these misaligned backs out there. Also, the Cardinals Rookie Stars card (Steve Carlton) has a 4x Met or a 4x Senator to its' right.

[deweyinthehall]

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

[Kevvyg1026]

Howard has a very wavy LE, is the wrong back of Niekro (a RE card), and is above Horlen (a LE card)

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

Nice find! If it has to be one of those three it is Freese, the card under Wills has a shorter white bio box than Wills has, Law has a full white bio box like Wills does. I'm 98% sure Indians Rookie Stars is the seventh and last header card, since Wills is very likely not a header that means he can't be above Elston Howard.

[Kevvyg1026]

I think that is right, I put Wills above Freese, so I have a run of Freese-Banks-Berra, with another of Willis-Boyer-Pavletich above that at some point.

Boyer is also above a black border card, so he is a part of a row change, as is Owens.

[Kevvyg1026]

1. Mc of Wert

2. Also, Indian RS is above either Stu Miller or Jim Owens, as a LE card

3. Forgot to mention that Braves RS (Niekro) is definitely a RE card, so the WB with Elston makes Howard a LE card

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[Cliff Bowman]

Unfortunately, Wert is a 3rd Series.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by deweyinthehall

I just completed a 65 set and will be creating a page at my site on the set soon. For these reasons, I thought I might as well jump into the 6th series rabbit hole with you guys.

I found this Wills card today and Deans. By my figuring, the only cards that could be beneath him (Pirate/Yankee with dark at the top of the image) are Freese, Law and Howard. It can't be Law because of the reverse, and while it is very hard to tell in slim miscuts like this, I don't think you can see Freese's bat. In that case it could Howard.

This would make Wills a LE card because I think Howard was declared a LE card earlier, but I can't find where that came from. It also says he's at the top of one of the slits?

Thoughts on who is below Mr. Wills?

I think I am wrong about the Indians Rookie Stars being the 7th and final header card, I now think Ted Wills is the 7th header card. That would make Elston Howard the card under Wills on the miscut. I have been puzzled why I could never find a miscut showing the top of the Ted Wills back, if he is a header card that would explain that. It didn't make sense for Wills to be above Freese because Wills is obviously a 3x and he didn't fit in being on the same row as Boyer and Pavletich because they are 4x cards. If Wills is the 7th header card to go along with Stu Miller, Bob Priddy, Jim Owens, Ed Mathews, Joel Horlen, and Elston Howard the question is who is the third 4x header card to go along with Horlen and Owens. I now believe that is Wills under Mathews on the miscut. ETA Dewey was right and I was wrong.

[deweyinthehall]

Concur all around - so the LE cards then are Mathews, Owens, Howard, Priddy, Horlen, Wills and Miller.

Miller and Wills are clearly 3x, and Horlen and Owens are clearly 4x.

The remaining 4x candidates are Mathews, Howard and Priddy. Mathews and Howard's counts are low, and if they were commons I'd give the 4x award to Priddy even though his counts don't seem to me to be clearly in the 4x range.
But they aren't commons, so supply could simply be low due to demand.

I think we need to find horizontal miscuts of one or more of these three to tell for sure.

Thoughts?

[Kevvyg1026]

The counts on Priddy aren't that far below those of Mota, Ron Locke, Yankees TC, so he might be a 4x

[Kevvyg1026]

Are you sure that is not a Brave or Red Sox next to carlton? Might be dark green

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by Kevvyg1026

Are you sure that is not a Brave or Red Sox next to carlton? Might be dark green

You’re right, I was thinking the Mets and Senators are dark green but it’s actually the Red Sox and Braves who are dark green.