SGC Going Away?

[Vintagedeputy]

If SGC goes away, I’ll stop getting cards graded because I just can’t stomach. the idea of giving PSA one dime.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If SGC goes away, I’ll stop getting cards graded because I just can’t stomach. the idea of giving PSA one dime.

Collectors Universe (owner of PSA) bought SGC so technically if you're having cards slabbed by SGC, the cash flow goes back to the owners of PSA.

And what kind of discount do people think they'd get on SGC slabbed cards if SGC went away?

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If SGC goes away, I’ll stop getting cards graded because I just can’t stomach. the idea of giving PSA one dime.

Me neither. CSG!!

[hawaiian bam bam]

Iceberg! straight ahead!

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If SGC goes away, I’ll stop getting cards graded because I just can’t stomach. the idea of giving PSA one dime.

Not sure I follow this argument. Both PSA and SGC are part of the same larger company. Any cash you pay to SGC ends up in the same bank account as any cash you pay to PSA.

But maybe it feels less icky if your credit card statement says SGC instead of saying PSA?

[Johnny630]

From what I remember hearing this has not happened because PSA will not cross SGC Cards over as same grade.

[frankbmd]

Does never get cheated apply to monopolies?

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

From what I remember hearing this has not happened because PSA will not cross SGC Cards over as same grade.

THIS!

I think PSA graders and their reviewers are trained to NOT follow the published grading standards listed on their web site. i recently tried to recently crossover 9 conservatively graded prewar and postwar vintage to PSA w/ the cards still in their SGC holders (+ two easy SGC 1s). so 11 in total. yes, i know this was a moronic move but wasted money anyway.

it went worse than expected. i went f'in 9 for 11. it was a joke. nothing crossed over except my 2 SGC 1s which were simple. i showed one or two examples on my interview last month w/ John Newman if you want to see the SGC 2 1938 Joe DiMaggio.

When i opened a case for that Joe D, it was automatically closed w/ this company line , "PSA is an educated opinion-based service, and sometimes, these opinions may not be agreed with. I know how important it is for your cards to reach their full potential while undergoing the grading process with us. Two graders look at the card, one of whom is a senior grader. They come to an agreement on the card's final grade. If you want the card looked at again, it must be submitted for a full review and crossover service. We will not provide a pre-paid label. I am sorry we can’t do more for you. ".

the psa support reps didn't even case both cards' grader notes supported the cards being crossed over w/ my min required grade (2 - good). they didn't care their published grading standard for the "good condition" matched the grader notes

my other customer support case was closed with very similar wording.

so I agree with Johnny that PSA will not crossover SGC slabs using the 1 to 1 direct grade. they will likely offer a discount to crossover along while asking us to bend over w/ taking the undeserved lower grade. why? because they can (& the history repeats itself) and they have that card guarantee in-place which is is a $ headache to them

[aconte]

Good Bye SGC! It was nice knowing you!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Here's the best business reason I can come up with to ditch SGC. Collector's shutters SGC and announces a special deal to cross all of those cards to PSA slabs. Massive influx of cash for little effort.

[jjbond]

I’ve said it before. I’d love for all vintage to be shipped to SGC (whether under its current name, PSA, or some new PSA Vintage title). I see no reason why modern graders should be looking at 100+ year old stuff.

[Beercan collector]

Crazy idea and a bit off topic - make one of them vintage only so we don’t gotta wait months and months for a company grading millions of modern crap.
Edit - Wow JJ bond addressed this while I was typing

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Here's the best business reason I can come up with to ditch SGC. Collector's shutters SGC and announces a special deal to cross all of those cards to PSA slabs. Massive influx of cash for little effort.

I am not disagreeing with you but they already do that in a way. Every time they change the flip or slab that is what happens. There are 2 major reasons I sold off 99% of my graded cards and the slab/flip change is one of them. Now this is just my opinion. When SGC changed their flip last time my first thought was I NEED to get my cards reholdered. Then I realized for myself as a collector I had a problem and sold sold sold.

[ZiggerZagger]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Here's the best business reason I can come up with to ditch SGC. Collector's shutters SGC and announces a special deal to cross all of those cards to PSA slabs. Massive influx of cash for little effort.

Scott -- great point. This is what a few collecting friends and I were spitballing last year as well.

Could easily see PSA offering a window for folks to get their SGC cards crossed over to PSA holders at grade -- probably coinciding with PSA formally shutting down new SGC submissions at some point.
"We recognize the rigorous historical standards of SGC grading are in line with our own here at PSA, etc, etc, etc.", and no charge if an SGC slab does not cross. Great moneymaker, and a way to refocus collectors to a new reality with TPG.

I'm probably 95% PSA in my collection, and would cross most of the rest if offered the chance to do so affordably. That is despite positive memories and experiences grading with and working with SGC in the past.
That said, I'd feel compelled to keep my T206 Lionel Carter Cobb and a T227 Charles Nagy Cobb in their original SGC holders. There would be something not right in my mind with failing to respect that provenance and history with SGC.
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[robw1959]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If SGC goes away, I’ll stop getting cards graded because I just can’t stomach. the idea of giving PSA one dime.

Agreed! +1
And every dime you send to SGC is a public vote against PSA, providing more and more reasons for PSA to keep their own brand separate from that of SGC even if they are jointly owned.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If SGC goes away, I’ll stop getting cards graded because I just can’t stomach. the idea of giving PSA one dime.

And it's getting so that I can't really stand to give SGC any more $ either. My last submission (well documented on these boards) was a complete exercise in stupidity and inconsistency.

Soon going to be down to CGC as the last resort for card grading.........

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

If SGC goes away, I’ll stop getting cards graded because I just can’t stomach. the idea of giving PSA one dime.

+1