My Latest submit to SGC - Results - Tell me what u think

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Of course we’re just going by photos so can’t be 100% accurate but if it was me I would like to see the Skinner at a 5 and would be happy with the rest of the grades , Kiely Has plenty of corner wear - Wright, Hofman have quite a bit of toning on reverse . Thanks for posting and putting them out here For us to comment

Yes - I agree the Skinner is probably the MOST egregious of the bunch - There is absolutely NO REASON, that I can see for that one to come back as a 3.

Like I mentioned earlier - Have been out of the "grading game" for several years. Think I'll probably just crawl back into my hole now and wait for already graded cards to impress me going forward.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Yes - I agree the Skinner is probably the MOST egregious of the bunch - There is absolutely NO REASON, that I can see for that one to come back as a 3.

Get a bright handheld light and turn off the lights in the room and shine the light parallel to the surface of the card in each direction, front and back. I bet you'll discover why it's a 3.

[Bill77]

Not to beat a dead horse, but the problem with the Skinner is that it is mis-cut. Just measure the boarder under the 1st B in Bob and compare it to the boarder under the s in Pirates. my guess is PSA would have graded it a 5 MC.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Not to beat a dead horse, but the problem with the Skinner is that it is mis-cut. Just measure the boarder under the 1st B in Bob and compare it to the boarder under the s in Pirates. my guess is PSA would have graded it a 5 MC.

- OK if could just get someone else to weigh in regarding the "Water Damage" and "Staining" issue on the Skinner then I would be much more comfortable with just tossing it into the crap can.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Not to beat a dead horse, but the problem with the Skinner is that it is mis-cut. Just measure the boarder under the 1st B in Bob and compare it to the boarder under the s in Pirates. my guess is PSA would have graded it a 5 MC.

Oh come on.... there is no way that Skinner gets designated as "miscut". And as for that being the reason for the "3"... I highly doubt it. More likely, there's a faint wrinkle or crease that doesn't show up in the scan.

There an infinite number of cards with far more severe "tilting" and diamond cuts that grade 6 and even 7. Just peruse eBay for 5 minutes, and you'll see how far TPGs have recently moved the goalposts.

If there is no hidden crease, that card would have been at least a "5" (probably better) if graded five or more years ago.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Oh come on.... there is no way that Skinner gets designated as "miscut".

If there is no hidden crease, that card would have been at least a "5" (probably better) if graded five or more years ago.

Agreed - TY

Just to be clear - This card has caused me to go online and purchase a "digital" microscope just because the issue was making me a bit "nutty"

This would be the one -
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08G43G8ZV...fed_asin_title

This is a 100X digital scope used for looking close at larger objects.

NO Creases, wrinkles or indents present themselves on either side of the Skinner at 100X magnification.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Bill77

Not to beat a dead horse, but the problem with the Skinner is that it is mis-cut. Just measure the boarder under the 1st B in Bob and compare it to the boarder under the s in Pirates. my guess is PSA would have graded it a 5 MC.

Agreed. The Skinner is most definitely miscut. Although slight, it is observable to the naked eye.

I’ve got to believe that the miscut caused the grade.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

Agreed. The Skinner is most definitely miscut. Although slight, it is observable to the naked eye.

I’ve got to believe that the miscut caused the grade.

Then what about the multi-thousands of equally or more severely miscut cards that currently reside in slabs graded 5-7? Why would they turn a blind eye towards all of those, but not this Skinner?

Please post just one image of a card with a "Miscut" qualifier that resembles the Skinner in question. Very eager to see it.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Then what about the multi-thousands of equally or more severely miscut cards that currently reside in slabs graded 5-7? Why would they turn a blind eye towards all of those, but not this Skinner?

Can’t answer that. Probably a question better posed to SGC

Please post just one image of a card with a "Miscut" qualifier that resembles the Skinner in question. Very eager to see it.

I only look at cards graded by SGC, which doesn’t use qualifiers. Qualifiers are stupid. I don’t know of any PSA miscut examples, but I’m sure others can offer examples.

[campyfan39]

I understand your frustration.

I got my first-ever submission back today, and I thought in general it was ok but not what I thought.

Two cards were so low I will keep them, They graded a 3. I have cracked them out, and there are no creases, stains etc. I'm baffled.

I also have a 58 Maris, that is the nicest one I have ever seen, and it got a 5. I'm posting on BST. I just don't understand it. I know it's subjective, but dang, some consistency in the same submission would be nice!

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Bill77

...but the problem with the Skinner is that it is mis-cut. Just measure the boarder under the 1st B in Bob and compare it to the boarder under the s in Pirates.

No. Miscut doesn't mean slightly uneven borders. Miscut means NO border or part of the adjacent card is showing front or back.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

No. Miscut doesn't mean slightly uneven borders. Miscut means NO border or part of the adjacent card is showing front or back.

Yep - My thoughts on the MC designation exactly (and also PSA's per their Grading Standards page)

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

No. Miscut doesn't mean slightly uneven borders. Miscut means NO border or part of the adjacent card is showing front or back.

Understand however that the miscut qualifier from PSA and the N8 (“Do not grade”) miscut rejection code are two very different things. Under the latter, they can decide that the cut just looks wonky, and call it miscut even if there is not something obvious like part of another card showing.


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[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Understand however that the miscut qualifier from PSA and the N8 (“Do not grade”) miscut rejection code are two very different things. Under the latter, they can decide that the cut just looks wonky, and call it miscut even if there is not something obvious like part of another card showing.

To illustrate J-Coll's point, here's my otherwise wonderfully-centered 1968 Mantle that has the 'miscut' designation due to its wonky cut (non-straight and true) down the left side (PSA wouldn't holder it due to the same factor).
Even though it came out of the pack this way, it will forever carry the shameful scarlet letters of MC, and it saddens me...

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[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

To illustrate J-Coll's point, here's my otherwise wonderfully-centered 1968 Mantle that has the 'miscut' designation due to its wonky cut (non-straight and true) down the left side (PSA wouldn't holder it due to the same factor).
Even though it came out of the pack this way, it will forever carry the shameful scarlet letters of MC, and it saddens me...

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Jolly, I think SGC is getting worse about this than they used to be. I have a beautiful 1956 Topps Ernie Banks, which has a weird angular and wide left top border. It was an old SGC 6, that I foolishly busted out of the slab some years ago because of something I didn’t like about the slab. Upon reflection, however, I shouldn’t have done that because the card clearly has some attributes of a PSA N8 miscut, in that the upper left corner isn’t precisely square.




It is a part of my set, and a beautiful card but if I ever try to grade it again, I don’t know that it will pass muster. Oh well.


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[Exhibitman]

Just collect beaters and you'll be happy when they grade at all.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

though it came out of the pack this way, it will forever carry the shameful scarlet letters of MC, and it saddens me....

The "forever" wouldn't last a day were it in my possession. The card would swiftly be free to breathe again.