Has Anyone Seen This Anti PSA Website?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

[oldjudge]

I think that was hilarious!

[jingram058]

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

It is called capitalism, I think. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I agree with most of it and thank you for not charging us for it and making us wait 3 months to hear it!

[calvindog]

James, does it really puzzle you why people buy graded cards? Do you think it possible that some people want their “hard-earned cash” to become more as opposed to less when they sell their cards?

I rarely buy cards for investment purposes. But even the many that I buy for my collection, I tend to want them to be worth more, not less, when my kids sell them someday. Mainly because I care about my kids.

[sbfinley]

Ooooh spicy..., the "is grading cards good/bad" discussion is something I've never seen on a sports card forum. This should certainly be intriguing.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

ooooh spicy..., the "is grading cards good/bad" discussion is something i've never seen on a sports card forum. This should certainly be intriguing.

lol.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by calvindog

But even the many that I buy for my collection, I tend to want them to be worth more, not less, when my kids sell them someday. Mainly because I care about my kids.

Yeah, I guess you're entitled to care about your kids. We all have our personal foibles.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

So you don't like your cards encased, you like to hold them, and you don't care about the value, but you put them in safety deposit boxes. Color me confused....

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

So you don't like your cards encased, you like to hold them, and you don't care about the value, but you put them in safety deposit boxes. Color me confused....

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

Actually, the main point or hypocritical part is, why you encase them in a place you don't even live at when you don't like them encased in the first place, and break them from a slab. I'd rather have them in a slab at home then a bank box. They're both encased after all.

You say they're valuable, but you actually devalue them, and, it's someone else's problem. No, that's someone else's good fortune, and your problem.

People looking for an investment, and paying top dollar will pay more for TPG. Sorry that's just reality in today's world. Right or wrong that's the way it is.

Honest question, when was the last time a raw card sold for more then one graded that had the same grade.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

As long as you and your heirs are somewhat aware of the reality that "your" value may not rule the day when it finally comes time for the cards to go to someone else.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

When it comes to selling, unless the landscape changes dramatically, a graded card in EX is always going to sell for more than it would ungraded if described as EX. This is when that becomes a you problem.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

This is when that becomes a you problem.

Actually it's already been a problem for years. The supply and thus availability of unslabbed cards has been reduced. But those are the ones I collect. And, yes, of course I have an objection to paying up for a slabbed card which I must then find a way to release from imprisonment without damaging the card.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

LOL, you have to be kidding.