Has Anyone Seen This Anti PSA Website?

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Someone quite passionate about their disdain for PSA. Cannot say I blame them...

What gets to me though is that most of us collectors love to sneer at PSA for the company's various foibles, but people (perhaps the very same vocal critics) keep submitting their cards to PSA. As a result more and more neat cards are encased in plastic coffins.

Methinks boycotting PSA and its products would be more effective than mere criticism.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

What gets to me though is that most of us collectors love to sneer at PSA for the company's various foibles, but people (perhaps the very same vocal critics) keep submitting their cards to PSA. As a result more and more neat cards are encased in plastic coffins.

Methinks boycotting PSA and its products would be more effective than mere criticism.

Folks grade cards because they either intend to sell them, or potentially they or someone will sell them going forward. There is no other reason...it increases value and gives them peace of mind. Thus, like them or not, PSA isn't going away.

[Fred]

It's kind of funny. You have to figure PSA will probably tell them to remove the PSA logo if they find out about the website.

[luciobar1980]

PSA does suck and I don't understand why people still submit to them and perpetuate the nonsense. The registry is nonsense. Their fees are nonsense. People paying more for any given card in any given grade over an SGC card is nonsense. Their moving target "standards" are nonsense.

That all being said, whoever created that website had a lot of time on their hands. haha

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

PSA does suck and I don't understand why people still submit to them and perpetuate the nonsense. The registry is nonsense. Their fees are nonsense. People paying more for any given card in any given grade over an SGC card is nonsense. Their moving target "standards" are nonsense.

That all being said, whoever created that website had a lot of time on their hands. haha

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

Until we have a viable competitor whose slabs can command similar prices in the market, I think we are stuck with the perfectly imperfect uni-TPG that we have.

Edited to add: In some ways, it reminds me a bit of my own world as an auditor. Back in the early 2000s, there were some high profile corporate accounting scandals (Worldcom, Enron, etc). At the time, the response from one of the politicians (forget who, doesn’t really matter) was to suggest that they should just let public companies skip the audit process. Obviously that was a brilliant idea, because if auditors are imperfect, then going commando should really encourage better corporate behavior when it comes to honest accounting.

Fast forward to today, and the PCAOB published its annual report on audit quality and audit deficiencies. Most of the Big-4 firms had rather dismal failure rates, like 50%, sometimes more. And if memory serves, this last year #5 or #6 had a deficiency rate of like 86%.

And yet…given that there are no other real options and no emerging competitors, the entrenched players continue to do their thing, don’t necessarily do it very well, and continue to get hired do it, simply because there’s no viable alternative.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

[oldjudge]

I think that was hilarious!

[jingram058]

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

LOL, you have to be kidding.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Thus, like them or not, PSA isn't going away.

I know it's not going away. But I reserve the right to sneer at their various foibles and it would be nice to do at least something to be a thorn in the company's side.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

I know it's not going away. But I reserve the right to sneer at their various foibles and it would be nice to do at least something to be a thorn in the company's side.

Sneer away if you find it cathartic!

[BobbyStrawberry]

I like the upside down Wembanyama.

[robw1959]

The stuff on that site is hilarious! For example . . .

Disclaimer: By submitting your card, you acknowledge that our grading is completely arbitrary and may be influenced by factors such as our mood, the weather, or how much coffee we've had. Higher grades cost more because we said so. All sales are final, and complaints will be graded on a scale of 1-10 for how much we care (spoiler: we don't).

[Lorewalker]

Grader notes on the certs are great! https://psasux.com/cert-details?cert=569816

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by raulus

Sneer away if you find it cathartic!

It's not just cathartic. It's my most viable alternative.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

...PSA isn't going away.

I guess PSA has joined the ranks of death and taxes. We can struggle valiantly against those evils but they ultimately exert their depredations on even the noblest of us all.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

What gets to me though is that most of us collectors love to sneer at PSA for the company's various foibles, but people (perhaps the very same vocal critics) keep submitting their cards to PSA. As a result more and more neat cards are encased in plastic coffins.

Methinks boycotting PSA and its products would be more effective than mere criticism.

Would take a lot of boycotting of PSA to have any effect the likelihood of that taking place is not even measurable.

I could see where people who need them for selling their cards, and there is no denying a seller needs PSA to be the most fiscally responsible, would be frustrated by the entire experience.