Has Anyone Seen This Anti PSA Website?

[Fred]

It's kind of funny. You have to figure PSA will probably tell them to remove the PSA logo if they find out about the website.

[luciobar1980]

PSA does suck and I don't understand why people still submit to them and perpetuate the nonsense. The registry is nonsense. Their fees are nonsense. People paying more for any given card in any given grade over an SGC card is nonsense. Their moving target "standards" are nonsense.

That all being said, whoever created that website had a lot of time on their hands. haha

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

PSA does suck and I don't understand why people still submit to them and perpetuate the nonsense. The registry is nonsense. Their fees are nonsense. People paying more for any given card in any given grade over an SGC card is nonsense. Their moving target "standards" are nonsense.

That all being said, whoever created that website had a lot of time on their hands. haha

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

Until we have a viable competitor whose slabs can command similar prices in the market, I think we are stuck with the perfectly imperfect uni-TPG that we have.

Edited to add: In some ways, it reminds me a bit of my own world as an auditor. Back in the early 2000s, there were some high profile corporate accounting scandals (Worldcom, Enron, etc). At the time, the response from one of the politicians (forget who, doesn’t really matter) was to suggest that they should just let public companies skip the audit process. Obviously that was a brilliant idea, because if auditors are imperfect, then going commando should really encourage better corporate behavior when it comes to honest accounting.

Fast forward to today, and the PCAOB published its annual report on audit quality and audit deficiencies. Most of the Big-4 firms had rather dismal failure rates, like 50%, sometimes more. And if memory serves, this last year #5 or #6 had a deficiency rate of like 86%.

And yet…given that there are no other real options and no emerging competitors, the entrenched players continue to do their thing, don’t necessarily do it very well, and continue to get hired do it, simply because there’s no viable alternative.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

[oldjudge]

I think that was hilarious!

[jingram058]

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

It is called capitalism, I think. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I agree with most of it and thank you for not charging us for it and making us wait 3 months to hear it!

[calvindog]

James, does it really puzzle you why people buy graded cards? Do you think it possible that some people want their “hard-earned cash” to become more as opposed to less when they sell their cards?

I rarely buy cards for investment purposes. But even the many that I buy for my collection, I tend to want them to be worth more, not less, when my kids sell them someday. Mainly because I care about my kids.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

So you don't like your cards encased, you like to hold them, and you don't care about the value, but you put them in safety deposit boxes. Color me confused....

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

So you don't like your cards encased, you like to hold them, and you don't care about the value, but you put them in safety deposit boxes. Color me confused....

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

LOL, you have to be kidding.