Ken Kendrick Talks About His Altered Wagner

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agreed. At this point the flip is irrelevant.

Not a chance in hell. It would absolutely plummet in value. Certainly not to the level of other authentic or low grade copies, but it would almost certainly fall to where high eye appeal altered cards typically land, which is usually about the price of a PSA 4.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Not a chance in hell. It would absolutely plummet in value. Certainly not to the level of other authentic or low grade copies, but it would almost certainly fall to where high eye appeal altered cards typically land, which is usually about the price of a PSA 4.

+1

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Not a chance in hell. It would absolutely plummet in value. Certainly not to the level of other authentic or low grade copies, but it would almost certainly fall to where high eye appeal altered cards typically land, which is usually about the price of a PSA 4.

I think it depends on how strongly the connection is between this being THE WAGNER, and it being in a PSA 8 holder.

Certainly this card has some crazy notoriety that eclipses the flip.

But once you divorce the card from the flip, is it still the same card? While the cardboard purists and grading naysayers among us will definitely suggest that it’s the same card with or without the flip, I’m not convinced that there isn’t some diminution in value due to reduced cachet and recognizability if the flip is removed.

A there’s no question that for the set registry goons out there, the flip makes a difference, even for THE WAGNER.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Not a chance in hell. It would absolutely plummet in value. Certainly not to the level of other authentic or low grade copies, but it would almost certainly fall to where high eye appeal altered cards typically land, which is usually about the price of a PSA 4.

I disagree. The value is all in the notoriety and historical significance at this point. it's the most famous card in the hobby. It had a book written about it. Everyone knows it's sheet cut and then cut again. Well, maybe not the sheet cut part, but the second cut for sure. Who cares that the flip says 8?

[samosa4u]

I'm very surprised that Ken's collection has almost no diversity. The only non-baseball cards I see are George Mikan, Michael Jordan and Bronko Nagurski. Where the heck is everyone else ?? What about the rookies of Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Julius Erving ?? What about Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Bart Starr, Paul Hornung and Joe Namath ? What about Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky ?? I could go on and on here ... I know baseball cards are king, but still, for him to just pass over all those guys I mentioned ... very surprising. I would take a MINT Wilt over most of those baseball players.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

I'm very surprised that Ken's collection has almost no diversity. The only non-baseball cards I see are George Mikan, Michael Jordan and Bronko Nagurski. Where the heck is everyone else ?? What about the rookies of Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Julius Erving ?? What about Johnny Unitas, Jim Brown, Bart Starr, Paul Hornung and Joe Namath ? What about Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr and Wayne Gretzky ?? I could go on and on here ... I know baseball cards are king, but still, for him to just pass over all those guys I mentioned ... very surprising. I would take a MINT Wilt over most of those baseball players.

Many vintage collectors exclusively collect baseball and have zero interest in other sports. I am one of those people for example.

[brunswickreeves]

He mentioned a couple things that highlight his hyper selection focus: First is that he was collecting baseball cards since 1952. Second is that he turned down a private purchasing option of a higher graded version of the 55 Topps Clemente. Although his auction bidding proxy stopped bidding on at 3am once the max price Ken was willing to pay for the Clemente was exceeded by another bidder who ultimately won the card, that same buyer has tried to sell to Ken at a big multiple. He said in business he learned basically when to walk away. So his money seems very strategically spent to a limit. Thus a reason he may not want to spend one single dollar on something that doesn’t fit his collecting goals, since that would take that dollar away from something else he wanted to attain.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

Many vintage collectors exclusively collect baseball and have zero interest in other sports. I am one of those people for example.

But Ken does like other sports and he was once the part-owner of the Phoenix Suns. He probably had dinner with many of those guys I mentioned above.

Bottom line is this: you can't have the best collection in the world if you focus just on one sport. It's not about who has all the highest-graded examples or how much money your collection is worth, it's about diversity. You could have a beautiful PSA 6 Mantle, but if you also have Chamberlain, Gretzky, Howe, Jack Nicklaus, Pele, etc., then that's what makes a great collection.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by samosa4u

But Ken does like other sports and he was once the part-owner of the Phoenix Suns. He probably had dinner with many of those guys I mentioned above.

Bottom line is this: you can't have the best collection in the world if you focus just on one sport. It's not about who has all the highest-graded examples or how much money your collection is worth, it's about diversity. You could have a beautiful PSA 6 Mantle, but if you also have Chamberlain, Gretzky, Howe, Jack Nicklaus, Pele, etc., then that's what makes a great collection.

The best collection in the world is definitely not Kens. This one is about a zillion times better. Don't know if it's the best either but I'd think its up there.

https://youtu.be/QXavhN_jtCA

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

The best collection in the world is definitely not Kens. This one is about a zillion times better. Don't know if it's the best either but I'd think its up there.

https://youtu.be/QXavhN_jtCA

I remember Donald Spence at one point had all of the big cards that these big collectors today own.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

The best collection in the world is definitely not Kens. This one is about a zillion times better. Don't know if it's the best either but I'd think its up there.

https://youtu.be/QXavhN_jtCA

Ohhhh ... my .... God ....