BST etiquette am I wrong

[SyrNy1960]

I think once something is posted for sale on the B/S/T, then all communications should only be on the B/S/T. Posting on B/S/T, then using other sources to communicate with others, while not updating the B/S/T post, can definitely confuse things, as shown in this situation.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

I think once something is posted for sale on the B/S/T, then all communications should only be on the B/S/T. Posting on B/S/T, then using other sources to communicate with others, while not updating the B/S/T post, can definitely confuse things, as shown in this situation.

That wouldn't work as many people have stuff listed on several different sites. Plus as Peter pointed out not everyone is always on the internet so someone posting it was sold shouldn't need to be updated for several hours or the next day.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by bnorth

That wouldn't work as many people have stuff listed on several different sites. Plus as Peter pointed out not everyone is always on the internet so someone posting it was sold shouldn't need to be updated for several hours or the next day.

Then say it's cross posted.

What difference does that make? The part about people being here all the time? It actually makes it easier to have it posted in one place here vs having DMs and posts with items for sale here. Its an automatic reveal for this board. If a seller isn't online for 12 hours at least people that post I'll take it have an order of the pecking order in plain view. A DM won't be answered either in that time frame.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by SyrNy1960

I think once something is posted for sale on the B/S/T, then all communications should only be on the B/S/T. Posting on B/S/T, then using other sources to communicate with others, while not updating the B/S/T post, can definitely confuse things, as shown in this situation.

I'll repost what I said before.

There have been probably 10s of thousands of transactions on the B/S/T without any issues with the way things are now set up. A few recent complaints don't seem to be reason to try to force everyone to follow some set of rules that can never be enforced.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I'll repost what I said before.

There have been probably 10s of thousands of transactions on the B/S/T without any issues with the way things are now set up. A few recent complaints don't seem to be reason to try to force everyone to follow some set of rules that can never be enforced.

Are you scared to have it changed so everything is in the open?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Are you scared to have it changed so everything is in the open?

My experience is that people around here tend to value their privacy a lot when it comes to what they’re buying, and in terms of what they have. So requiring that everyone post publicly that they’re interested (and might end up owning it) seems like it would face a lot of resistance.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by raulus

My experience is that people around here tend to value their privacy a lot when it comes to what they’re buying, and in terms of what they have. So requiring that everyone post publicly that they’re interested (and might end up owning it) seems like it would face a lot of resistance.

This isn't a place for privacy. I mean we all are stamped here in many ways. Names, personal phone numbers, emails what's collected etc etc.

Honest people aren't the problem. Neither are people that say "I'll take it on a post".

Hell, most the guys know who has what anyway. People post items worth 5 or 6 figures all the time here.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

This isn't a place for privacy. I mean we all are stamped here in many ways. Names, personal phone numbers, emails what's collected etc etc.

Honest people aren't the problem. Neither are people that say "I'll take it on a post".

Hell, most the guys know who has what anyway. People post items worth 5 or 6 figures all the time here.

I guess you didn't read the thread talking about showing off collections people have. Plenty of people there said they are very hesitant to tell people what they have or show them anything. Also, I don't know about you, but my phone number isn't posted anywhere on the board, and my email may have been on some old B/S/T threads, but with all of the scammers that pop up, I've stopped posting that as well.

https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=358153

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I guess you didn't read the thread talking about showing off collections people have. Plenty of people there said they are very hesitant to tell people what they have or show them anything. Also, I don't know about you, but my phone number isn't posted anywhere on the board, and my email may have been on some old B/S/T threads, but with all of the scammers that pop up, I've stopped posting that as well.

https://net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=358153

Actually I did. I also see many other posts that people may take as harmless, but show a lot. Every board I've belonged you get to know people, and find out about them, directly or non directly. It's a public forum.

Many people have a ton of info in posts along with what they're collecting or looking for with contact information. Go on Google and much of what you post here can be found. You have your name and state. That's all it takes for people up to no good.

People that have signatures have all kinds of info. The sad thing is its to help, but also is a bad thing for people looking for targets.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

This isn't a place for privacy. I mean we all are stamped here in many ways. Names, personal phone numbers, emails what's collected etc etc.

Honest people aren't the problem. Neither are people that say "I'll take it on a post".

Hell, most the guys know who has what anyway. People post items worth 5 or 6 figures all the time here.

Go ahead and draft up the rules that you think should apply to the BST. And then lobby Leon to make them the law of the BST.

I wish you the best of luck!

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by raulus

Go ahead and draft up the rules that you think should apply to the BST. And then lobby Leon to make them the law of the BST.

I wish you the best of luck!

Actually, I asked Leon directly today.His response was to post in both. That's the issue I see in this. Some post in one or the other not in both. Leon says you should.

What's so bad about keeping it in one place vs multiple?

I'd say the person that ended up with this is staying quite, because he doesn't want to be involved in this thread. Not because people know what he paid for said item.

How easy would it be for both parties if it was done in the BST post vs having both places that is causing issues. Maybe it will get more frequent,maybe it won't.

What I do know is if it's given one place it won't hurt the BST at all. People will still buy, and sell, and it will be done in order so no one can feel slighted. It protects both parties, and the others behind the initial winner if it breaks down. If you don't want people to know who you are get a burner account for BST.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

This isn't a place for privacy. I mean we all are stamped here in many ways. Names, personal phone numbers, emails what's collected etc etc.

News to me that everyone here can see my full name, phone number, and email. Leon knows my phone number and people I've bought and sold with know my full name and address. And that's it.

As others have said, one miscommunication doth not a fundamental problem make. Most of my experiences on BST have been pretty simple - communications by DM have been limited to giving paypal information and address or discussion of shared collecting interests. Not sure what purpose it would serve to make people have to share that for everyone to see.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by John1941

News to me that everyone here can see my full name, phone number, and email. Leon knows my phone number and people I've bought and sold with know my full name and address. And that's it.

As others have said, one miscommunication doth not a fundamental problem make. Most of my experiences on BST have been pretty simple - communications by DM have been limited to giving paypal information and address or discussion of shared collecting interests. Not sure what purpose it would serve to make people have to share that for everyone to see.

Well John, if you ever post in certain posts, you will be made to reveal your full name by board rules. I can get your contact information with one click. If I'm interested or you are in BST I have everything. If you don't think your information can't be breached here you may want to buy my ocean front property in Missouri.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Are you scared to have it changed so everything is in the open?

Bingo. You're on to me.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Bingo. You're on to me.

Must be. Transparency must bother you?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Must be. Transparency must bother you?

Pretty sure if you set up a poll, I wouldn't be the only one voting against your idea.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Pretty sure if you set up a poll, I wouldn't be the only one voting against your idea.

I'm sure if Leon changed the policy you would.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

Must be. Transparency must bother you?

I posted this earlier, but it got lost in the rest of the thread so no one really commented on it.

According to the seller, he was already discussing purchase of the card with others who had contacted him when the OP posted that he would take it if still available. If the seller was a dealer selling the card in question at a show and someone else was discussing buying the card from him and the OP just walked over and said "I'll take it", I would consider that rude and inappropriate. Is it different just because this happened online?

[raulus]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I posted this earlier, but it got lost in the rest of the thread so no one really commented on it.

According to the seller, he was already discussing purchase of the card with others who had contacted him when the OP posted that he would take it if still available. If the seller was a dealer selling the card in question at a show and someone else was discussing buying the card from him and the OP just walked over and said "I'll take it", I would consider that rude and inappropriate. Is it different just because this happened online?

I mean, it doesn’t seem rude and inappropriate to me in an online setting. Largely because he doesn’t know who else is having what other conversations. That and it’s not an interruption the way it is in person.

On the other hand, demanding that the seller has to sell to you or getting agitated over the internet could start to seem a bit much.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I posted this earlier, but it got lost in the rest of the thread so no one really commented on it.

According to the seller, he was already discussing purchase of the card with others who had contacted him when the OP posted that he would take it if still available. If the seller was a dealer selling the card in question at a show and someone else was discussing buying the card from him and the OP just walked over and said "I'll take it", I would consider that rude and inappropriate. Is it different just because this happened online?

It's a mantra of the BST that "I'll take it" takes precedence over continuing negotiations. And of course it's different to walk up to a table and try to undermine a potential deal in progress before your eyes, and posting online where there is no indication a deal has been made or is imminent.

[brunswickreeves]

This is how BST typically works well (I’m not a lawyer, nor play one on TV, so this is not legal advice, and all are welcome to correct any errors or omissions):

1. Seller posts card, description, price, and statement: ‘I’ll take it’ supersedes all ongoing discussions (there’s good reason some post this disclaimer).
2. Potential Buyer posts reply to listing or PMs Seller: ‘I’ll take it.’
3. Seller PMs the potential Buyer either that a sale is already pending and thus their ‘I’ll take it’ is unfortunately declined, or the payment method details if they’re 1st in queue, asks Buyer to make payment in a specified time period to lock in the deal, as well as asks for Buyer’s email, shipping carrier preference, and address. Good faith assumption is made by Seller that payment will be made by the potential Buyer from their ‘I’ll take it’ post, regardless of whether or not they hear back from potential Buyer before #5 below. Potential Buyer makes good faith assumption they will be sold the card if Seller responds to them and doesn’t explicitly decline their ‘I’ll take it’ reply.
4. Potential Buyer PMs the Seller asap with requested info from #3 and notes when payment will be made and cleared.
5. Seller replies ‘Sale Pending’ to their listing. Anyone else in BST replying they’ll take it, or on any other platform tries to claim it takes their respective place in the potential Buyer queue.
6. Potential Buyer makes payment and once cleared becomes the rightful owner by transfer of their property (money) for Seller’s property (advertised card).
7. Seller confirms Buyer’s payment clears their bank, completing part 1 in the transfer of property. Then replies ‘Sold’ to their listing.
8. Buyer PMs the Seller their email, shipping carrier preference, and address to Seller.
9. Seller emails pics of the card to the Buyer in current state and time stamped, pics in its secured packaging, then ships the card to Buyer. Seller then PMs and/or emails the shipping tracking info to the Buyer. Both monitor shipping status and keep lines of communication open as needed.
10. Card arrives to Buyer and part 2 in the transfer of property is complete.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by brunswickreeves

This is how BST typically works well (I’m not a lawyer, nor play one on TV, so this is not legal advice, and all are welcome to correct any errors or omissions):

1. Seller posts card, description, price, and statement: ‘I’ll take it’ supersedes all ongoing discussions (there’s good reason some post this disclaimer).
2. Potential Buyer posts reply to listing: ‘I’ll take it.’
3. Seller PMs the potential Buyer either that a sale is already pending and thus their ‘I’ll take it’ is unfortunately declined, or the payment method details if they’re 1st in queue, asks Buyer to make payment in a specified time period to lock in the deal, as well as asks for Buyer’s email, shipping carrier preference, and address. Good faith assumption is made by Seller that payment will be made by the potential Buyer from their ‘I’ll take it’ post, regardless of whether or not they hear back from potential Buyer before #5 below. Potential Buyer makes good faith assumption they will be sold the card if Seller responds to them and doesn’t explicitly decline their ‘I’ll take it’ reply.
4. Potential Buyer PMs the Seller asap with requested info from #3 and notes when payment will be made and cleared.
5. Seller replies ‘Sale Pending’ to their listing. Anyone else in BST replying they’ll take it, or on any other platform tries to claim it takes their respective place in the potential Buyer queue.
6. Potential Buyer makes payment and once cleared becomes the rightful owner by transfer of their property (money) for Seller’s property (advertised card).
7. Seller confirms Buyer’s payment clears their bank, completing part 1 in the transfer of property. Then replies ‘Sold’ to their listing.
8. Buyer PMs the Seller their email, shipping carrier preference, and address to Seller.
9. Seller emails pics of the card to the Buyer in current state and time stamped, pics in its secured packaging, then ships the card to Buyer. Seller then PMs and/or emails the shipping tracking info to the Buyer. Both monitor shipping status and keep lines of communication open as needed.
10. Card arrives to Buyer and part 2 in the transfer of property is complete.

I would estimate that well over 95% of the sales I've made have not had someone post "I'll take it" on the thread. The vast majority have just been someone sending me a PM indicating they wanted to buy something.