34 Goudey variation 1/1?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by tireolddawg

The more I think about it the more I’m convinced that what Rocky said is what’s going on here, and that it’s due to fading. If the yellow was absent from the printer, the color of his face, which would need some yellow ink in order to get right, would be completely off and would probably look blue/purple. I think I’m considering this a closed case. Thanks again for everyone’s thoughts.

Setting in the sun too long was also the first thing that came to mind. There are a few big sellers that are total scum that sell faded cards as rare error cards. One has had a never ending supply of the sun faded 1958 Blue Hank Aaron cards for decades.

[tireolddawg]

No dig on the seller in my case since SGC slabbed the card as a “white background” error. Now I wonder if it is a pop 1 just because SGC realized eventually that it’s a faded card and they no longer make the distinction.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by tireolddawg

No dig on the seller in my case since SGC slabbed the card as a “white background” error. Now I wonder if it is a pop 1 just because SGC realized eventually that it’s a faded card and they no longer make the distinction.

Yours in an old flip. They no longer put stuff like "White Background" on a card like that. I know it has been several years. I sent in a real missing yellow Roberto Clemente and they never noted it on the flip. I did request it but they said no they no longer did that anymore. All the grading companies got burned with faded cards years ago so I don't believe any note it anymore.

[Jobu]

Any chance you can post a high resolution scan? My knowledge of errors is primarily teens and back, but this seems to me like it might actually be missing the yellow. I wouldn't assume that the skin tone had yellow in it (though it might). I'd like to see the logo on the hat a bit better. Given how many Goudeys are out there, if this were due to sun fading I would think we would have seen lots of similar examples (for example, I have a ton of examples of T206 with sun fading) but I don't recall seeing another.

[brianp-beme]

If it was fading, wouldn't the angled blue banner (that contains Lou's signature) have faded some as well? It still seems to have fairly bold blue coloration.

It would be nice to see a little better image of this card.


Brian

[brianp-beme]

Well dang it all if I just didn't spot this 14 year old article on the Sports Collector's Daily website that discusses this very card.

https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.co...ba-photo-deal/

And below is the photo from the article.

Brian

[NiceDocter]

I bought this “white” card at a show from a dealers commons 20 or so years ago…. it just didn’t look right to me so got it for a dollar or about that. Is it a real missing yellow card or is it sun faded??? I would also say none of his other cards looked like that….. it was the only one…

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

I bought this “white” card at a show from a dealers commons 20 or so years ago…. it just didn’t look right to me so got it for a dollar or about that. Is it a real missing yellow card or is it sun faded??? I would also say none of his other cards looked like that….. it was the only one…

That is a 1958 Topps and that year the yellow color almost fell off them. Seriously they are famously easy to fade the yellow of off.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

I bought this “white” card at a show from a dealers commons 20 or so years ago…. it just didn’t look right to me so got it for a dollar or about that. Is it a real missing yellow card or is it sun faded??? I would also say none of his other cards looked like that….. it was the only one…

This one is full sun faded from extensive exposure.





Yellow to white and green to blue are probably the easiest to make. You can take a yellow card and remove the yellow pretty quickly with nothing but light. It's not too difficult to not effect the other colors, even by honest accidental fading that wasn't done by a person trying to make and sell a fake error.

I actually like these cards, even though its just damage 99% of the time you see a yellow-to-white. Still looks cool.

[whiteymet]

Originally Posted by NiceDocter

I bought this “white” card at a show from a dealers commons 20 or so years ago…. it just didn’t look right to me so got it for a dollar or about that. Is it a real missing yellow card or is it sun faded??? I would also say none of his other cards looked like that….. it was the only one…

Doesn't it make sense on Rocky's 58T Williams card that since the color at the bottom behind team name and position is different prove that yellow was never printed on the card?

I don't think sun fading would turn that from green to blue.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by whiteymet

Doesn't it make sense on Rocky's 58T Williams card that since the color at the bottom behind team name and position is different prove that yellow was never printed on the card?

I don't think sun fading would turn that from green to blue.

Actually that is exactly what sun fading does. Just look at the never ending supply of Blue 1958 Hank Aaron cards one extremely dishonest seller has had for decades.

[frankbmd]

If it's a warm sunny summer, will there be a hoard of '34 Goudey's tanning at the beach?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

If it was fading, wouldn't the angled blue banner (that contains Lou's signature) have faded some as well? It still seems to have fairly bold blue coloration.

It would be nice to see a little better image of this card.


Brian

It really varies greatly by year/manufacturer on how each ink color fades. 99.9% of the time I can easily tell in hand. Almost always a faded card just looks duller overall next to a normal card. Then you look at it under a top lighted microscope you know for sure.

[tireolddawg]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Any chance you can post a high resolution scan? My knowledge of errors is primarily teens and back, but this seems to me like it might actually be missing the yellow. I wouldn't assume that the skin tone had yellow in it (though it might). I'd like to see the logo on the hat a bit better. Given how many Goudeys are out there, if this were due to sun fading I would think we would have seen lots of similar examples (for example, I have a ton of examples of T206 with sun fading) but I don't recall seeing another.

Bryan, that’s another point that has me still not quite sure. This set has plenty of yellow background cards, is 111 years old, and yet I’ve never seen another example of a card missing its background color. This is in contrast to the 58 Topps set where it seems fairly easy to find examples of cards affected by fading. I’d love to upload a higher resolution image but I’m brand new here, and when I made the original post I compressed the file size because it looked like the maximum file size was ~195KB. Any guidance on how to do that would be much appreciated.

[brianp-beme]

I copied and saved and cropped and reduced the image size, which I think makes it clearer. I still don't think the card looks like this due to fading, and I can't imagine the blue at the bottom would still be so bold if the sun had supposedly leached out the yellow background to the point of it being white.

I have posted that 14 year old photo again because it provides a nice, less glare image (curse those plastic slabs, and even those card sleeves) and provides a fair contrast of the white background to the cards typical yellow background. In my eyes the blue in the white background version (bottom, uniform lettering, and even perhaps the hat) appears darker than the blue in the regular yellow background card example shown.

Brian (by the way, not my thumbnails nor fingers)

[obcmac]

Missing color passes are like t206 wagners...not genuine unless proven otherwise (to me). Sun, water, chemicals, age...all impact pigments differently. It's much more likely on any "missing color" card that it has some after issue damage. Having never seen a goudey that missed a color pass and having seen hundreds of cards where something impacted one or more colors, I tend to think it's probably the latter rather than the former. Not to say it isn't a curiosity...and I hope you enjoy it.

[bnorth]

This is a real missing yellow card. See how the rest of the colors still pop. They are not dull in any way. It is actually one of the best looking most vibrantly colored version of this card I have seen. It is amazing looking in hand. Also with a top lighted microscope you will still find yellow on a real missing yellow and faded card. The faded card will have dull dirty looking yellow. The real missing yellow card can and usually will have a very small amount of yellow but it will be a bright shiny yellow.