MLB wants Dodgers(Ohtani) vs Yankees(Judge) - NFL/Goodell helped the Chiefs

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

all of you conspiracy theorists and yet nobody has explained to me why the other owners go along with it. You do all realize that the "NFL" and "MLB" is made up of the owners and that the "League" including the commissioners serve at the owner's pleasure.

So explain to me really slowly what super competitive alpha male agrees to let some team besides his win the championship every year. Oh and you basically have to convince ALL of them because if you don't one of them will blow the whistle.

Private deals are routinely brokered by Goodell and certain owners on many issues. Naive to think otherwise in my opinion.

[D. Bergin]

NFL, like the NBA protects it's "Stars". In the NFL, that essentially boils down to about 3 or 4 veteran QB's a year that get special treatment.

That's essentially the long and the short of it.

I'm a little jealous because the Giants haven't had that type of protected QB in like.....well......ever.

Even Eli never really got any special treatment. Peyton certainly did, but not Eli.

Mahomes, let's be honest, has gotten really good at baiting the refs. I think he's been watching a lot of James Harden footage lately.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

NFL, like the NBA protects it's "Stars". In the NFL, that essentially boils down to about 3 or 4 veteran QB's a year that get special treatment.

That's essentially the long and the short of it.

I'm a little jealous because the Giants haven't had that type of protected QB in like.....well......ever.

Even Eli never really got any special treatment. Peyton certainly did, but not Eli.

Mahomes, let's be honest, has gotten really good at baiting the refs. I think he's been watching a lot of James Harden footage lately.

There's a pretty big difference between saying certain players tend to get favorable calls (which is true in all sports) and saying that the leagues are fixing games to make sure certain teams win championships.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by jayshum

There's a pretty big difference between saying certain players tend to get favorable calls (which is true in all sports) and saying that the leagues are fixing games to make sure certain teams win championships.

Agree

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Private deals are routinely brokered by Goodell and certain owners on many issues. Naive to think otherwise in my opinion.

So you're saying Goodell made some kind of deal with the Chiefs owner to make sure calls always go their way and none of the other owners have figured it out?

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by jayshum

So you're saying Goodell made some kind of deal with the Chiefs owner to make sure calls always go their way and none of the other owners have figured it out?

I think it can be made clear to refs in direct and indirect ways that many millions of not billions are at stake and when in doubt, no first down for the chiefs opponent.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Carter08

I think it can be made clear to refs in direct and indirect ways that many millions of not billions are at stake and when in doubt, no first down for the chiefs opponent.

What billions, and to whom? How are the league as an entity (and again, in reality it's not even it's own entity, it's an extension of the owners) and the uninvolved owners in particular going to make more money off of one result than another? If you're claiming organized crime, that's a lot different than saying "the league." though I'm not sure I buy that either.

I don't buy legalized gambling as the villain because they don't make their money on outcomes they make it on the line. They're not trying to "score" they just want their juice. Lines don't change because the book decides that they suddenly like one team more, they change to try and get the money wagered even on both teams, because then the profit is assured.

It's the same question I ask for any conspiracy theory. How do the people you're accusing benefit? At least if you're saying crime you have an answer for me.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

What billions, and to whom? How are the league as an entity (and again, in reality it's not even it's own entity, it's an extension of the owners) and the uninvolved owners in particular going to make more money off of one result than another? If you're claiming organized crime, that's a lot different than saying "the league." though I'm not sure I buy that either.

I don't buy legalized gambling as the villain because they don't make their money on outcomes they make it on the line. They're not trying to "score" they just want their juice. Lines don't change because the book decides that they suddenly like one team more, they change to try and get the money wagered even on both teams, because then the profit is assured.

It's the same question I ask for any conspiracy theory. How do the people you're accusing benefit? At least if you're saying crime you have an answer for me.

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

The Super Bowl is the most watched broadcast on television every year regardless of who plays in it.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by jayshum

The Super Bowl is the most watched broadcast on television every year regardless of who plays in it.

It is, but a lot more with the Swifties.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

Jeez.

#1. Don't you think the NFL would want another very marketable QB in the mix to generate excitement? Josh Allen ticks literally all the boxes, for who you want to represent the NFL from a marketing standpoint.

#2. You overestimate the influence Taylor Swift has on the economics of football, or anything else outside of loud internet chatter. Sure, they use her as a marketing tool, as they would any celebrity...but deciding games? C'mon!

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Mahomes is the face of the NFL. Good for the brand to keep him in. More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football. They would not tune in for the Bills.

This literally doesn't explain how anyone makes more money.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

This literally doesn't explain how anyone makes more money.

Higher viewership, higher merchandise sales. Advertisers understand that the Chiefs bring with them an army. If you think Swift does not add hundreds of millions of dollars to the enterprise, you underestimate her global significance.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Ok so he is like a GM to the owners, but as GM, or Well paid NFL Lackey, his job is about results and increased revenue. Owners are like YOU, make us money, we don't care how. You want to continue making $63 million a year, make us money or we'll replace you. All about the almighty dollar.

Well on those points we agree. When it comes to major league sports, sadly the business aspect has for a half a century anyway overshadowed the sports aspect.

There's nonetheless an enormous gulf between that position and your contention that the fix was in to enable the Chiefs to advance to the Super Bowl. Yes, there could well have been incompetence on the part of the officiating staff, but never assume malevolence when stupidity will suffice for an explanation. There's always certainly been enough of the latter in the world.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

There's nonetheless an enormous gulf between that position and your contention that the fix was in to enable the Chiefs to advance to the Super Bowl. Yes, there could well have been incompetence on the part of the officiating staff, but never assume malevolence when stupidity will suffice for an explanation. There's always certainly been enough of the latter in the world.

I might agree with you if this was the only instance. It is not. It happened in the Playoffs multiple times last year, and now mulitple times this year. I don't watch Chiefs regular season games so can't comment there but guessing it has happened there as well. Bad flags, bad no calls, bad spots, bad replay booth reviews. Multiple games. Way too much to be a coincidence or incompetence. Not much else needs to be said on this, you either believe it or you don't.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I'll say this.

You've actually spouted more than enough nonsense in this thread already.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

I was at one point a Steelers fan.

I was never a Steelers fan.

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Until Roethlisburger raped a girl.

I am though a big fan of the presumption of innocence which is the fundamental cornerstone of our system of jurisprudence. The presumption of innocence provides us all with an absolutely essential bulwark against malicious prosecution by an otherwise essentially omnipotent State. A Soviet style legal system wherein charges equate to guilt would be a nightmare (except to those who'd usher our society toward totalitarianism). Therefore with no conviction, Ben Roethlisberger is innocent; case closed. And like I say, I've never liked the Steelers but that's irrelevant to the principle in question.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

You've actually spouted more than enough nonsense in this thread already.



I was never a Steelers fan.



I am though a big fan of the presumption of innocence which is the fundamental cornerstone of our system of jurisprudence. The presumption of innocence provides us all with an absolutely essential bulwark against malicious prosecution by an otherwise essentially omnipotent State. A Soviet style legal system wherein charges equate to guilt would be a nightmare (except to those who'd usher our society toward totalitarianism). Therefore with no conviction, Ben Roethlisberger is innocent; case closed. And like I say, I've never liked the Steelers but that's irrelevant to the principle in question.

Innocent? Please. Did you follow this when it happened? It never went to trial so there is no "Innocent". He paid her off, FACT. Look it up. You don't pay someone off if you are innocent. He was suspended by the League for 4 games, another sign of "Innocence"?.....Not only was he GUILTY, or if you don't want to use the word Guilty, use the words HE DID IT, pretty sure he did it another time as well, it wasn't the only sexual assault claim against him. You can reply all you want I'm done speaking that dickwads name.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Carter08

Part of the issue is Goodell’s fondness for the Chiefs is well known.

Oh?!!!

Originally Posted by Carter08

More importantly, the Chiefs bring with them an army of Swift fans that otherwise don’t care about football.

Claptrap! In my experience the two demographics are different, very different. Any overlap between the two is marginal. In other words your typical Taylor Swift fan doesn't know the difference between touching down and a touchdown while the typical Kansas City Chief fan would rather be swilling beer in a dingy bar listening to somebody like Jimmy the Greek exercising his vocal chords than watching a dance pop diva lip syncing to her auto-tuned recorded vocals.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Oh?!!!



Claptrap! In my experience the two demographics are different, very different. Any overlap between the two is marginal. In other words your typical Taylor Swift fan doesn't know the difference between touching down and a touchdown while the typical Kansas City Chief fan would rather be swilling beer in a dingy bar listening to somebody like Jimmy the Greek exercising his vocal chords than watching a dance pop diva lip syncing to her auto-tuned recorded vocals.

That’s exactly right, Swift fans would not care about football absent Swift. With Swift, very engaged.