Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

So this falls into the “only I give a **** about it” category, but this relatively modern pennant has been so hard to find. I have seen maybe 2 or 3 in 25+ years of collecting, I had one and it has considerable wear. This is pristine. Only need the Expos to complete a 1969 set in cloth.

[thetahat]

Domer … consider the pennants below. The top one is “Epstein”, correct? What about the bottom?

The bottom pennant has features that are shared by many others. I suspect it’s a NYC company, the same one that made the ‘55 and ‘56 two-team WS pennants with the Dodger cap.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Domer … consider the pennants below. The top one is “Epstein”, correct? What about the bottom?

The bottom pennant has features that are shared by many others. I suspect it’s a NYC company, the same one that made the ‘55 and ‘56 two-team WS pennants with the Dodger cap.

Admittedly, your two pennants present a problem (for me). I do think the top/blue one is by Epstein. The bottom/polychromatic one ... I really don't know. Sure looks like the Epstein one--or was the artwork just stolen by some other pennant maker? If so ... was that pennant maker ... Trench?

Or, did Epstein continue making pennants well into the 1950s; and, finally venture into polychromatic designs, as others had begun doing?

Here's another possibility: did Epstein, which offered much more than pennants by the mid-century, begin outsourcing their pennant production to some external supplier? If so ... what if that company was Trench?

Below is the WS dueling pennant you referenced. Sure looks like it could be traced to Epstein--but, it has tassels, which Epstein seemed to have dropped by the 1950s.

Bottom line: We need more information on Epstein.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Admittedly, your two pennants present a problem (for me). I do think the top/blue one is by Epstein. The bottom/polychromatic one ... I really don't know. Sure looks like the Epstein one--or was the artwork just stolen by some other pennant maker? If so ... was that pennant maker ... Trench?

Or, did Epstein continue making pennants well into the 1950s; and, finally venture into polychromatic designs, as others had begun doing?

Here's another possibility: did Epstein, which offered much more than pennants by the mid-century, begin outsourcing their pennant production to some external supplier? If so ... what if that company was Trench?

Below is the WS dueling pennant you referenced. Sure looks like it could be traced to Epstein--but, it has tassels, which Epstein seemed to have dropped by the 1950s.

Bottom line: We need more information on Epstein.

“we,” meaning you. Get on it.

While you’re at it, I’m still waiting for your ABCO(?) write up.

[Fballguy]

An Epstein contribution to football pennants...

[Fballguy]

If any one has a time machine I can borrow for two weeks or so, I'm pretty sure I can get at least a 30,000% ROI on these. Will gladly compensate you with a 5% cut.

PS...How was shipping so much more efficient (two weeks?), not to mention free, in 1964?

[MK]

Not sure I had seen this pennant without the Frank Chance reference before.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

If any one has a time machine I can borrow for two weeks or so, I'm pretty sure I can get at least a 30,000% ROI on these.

I wasn’t a math major, but your ciphering seems a bit off.

But I hear what you’re saying.

edit: the Google machine tells me “30,000 percent of .70” equals $210 so, yeah, you probably could.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

So this falls into the “only I give a **** about it” category, but this relatively modern pennant has been so hard to find. I have seen maybe 2 or 3 in 25+ years of collecting, I had one and it has considerable wear. This is pristine. Only need the Expos to complete a 1969 set in cloth.

I get it.

The Giants with ball(s) orbiting the cap are rare, but I think there are many Phillies with this motif. Correct? So, is the rarity the cloth, the font or a combination of everything? Do all the cloth ones have the 1969 MLB mark? If so, could you please post the Giants….because I don’t have one with that mark. At this very moment, I’m too lazy to see if either of my two orbiting ball(s) pennants is cloth.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I get it.

The Giants with ball(s) orbiting the cap are rare, but I think there are many Phillies with this motif. Correct? So, is the rarity the cloth, the font or a combination of everything? Do all the cloth ones have the 1969 MLB mark? If so, could you please post the Giants….because I don’t have one with that mark. At this very moment, I’m too lazy to see if either of my two orbiting ball(s) pennants is cloth.

It’s the specific “combination”, most notably how the team name is displayed. Dodgers pennant is similar. The “orbiting ball” logo was the Phillies official logo for many years so it appears on many Trench versions. This is from the ASCO series. Made in ‘69 and presumably ‘70 in cloth, and for a few years after in thick felt, then stiff felt, where they were also marked with other trademarks (which Domer knows better) … “Vet”, etc.

The Indians from this series is white, with a 1969 MLB stamp, and blue with a 1970 stamp. Angels also has a 1970 stamp. All of the cloth versions have the dated MLB, but only some of the felt.

The Giants from this series is extremely rare in cloth, and the only team with one-color print. I think the “orbiting ball” Giants version you mention was made by some unknown company which did it for all teams.

[bocca001]

Here is the rare Giants cloth pennant from the series, followed by all of the subsequent versions that are not cloth. I just noticed that the stitches on the bottom pennant go in the opposite direction and the placement of Giants in the ball is different as well.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Here is the rare Giants cloth pennant from the series, followed by all of the subsequent versions that are not cloth. I just noticed that the stitches on the bottom pennant go in the opposite direction and the placement of Giants in the ball is different as well.

The one I have with the different ball/stitches orientation has the registered symbol next to the MLB logo, rather than the “s” in Giants.