First $Billion$ Player....Elly de la Cruz?

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Seven

There are few, if any players in the history of Free Agency that would ever approach 1 Billion. Soto was one of them. Generational hitting talent....

Hmmmm, Juan Soto's batting averages in the last two years were .275 and .288 and he had 68 and 76 multi-base hits respectively in those two years. If Soto's a "generational hitting talent", you'll have to forgive this old guy for sneering at today's younger generation.

Speaking of Soto as part of the current generation of ballplayers though, I hope most of them are in better shape. I actually have more of a six pack than does Soto and I'm close to three times his age!

[packs]

Soto is most definitely a generational talent. He is 25 years old and has 7 seasons in the MLB behind him already. The list of players who can say the same is very small.

In that time he has won 5 Silver Sluggers, the World Series, a batting title, and has averaged 6.3 WAR per season, along with an average OPS of 953 and an average OPS+ of 160.

That is not only a HOFer, but a tier 1 all time talent.

Don't get too hung up on batting average. Luis Arraez has led the league in hitting the last three seasons but I don't think anyone considers him a generational talent.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by packs

Soto is most definitely a generational talent. He is 25 years old and has 7 seasons in the MLB behind him already. The list of players who can say the same is very small.

In that time he has won 5 Silver Sluggers, the World Series, a batting title, and has averaged 6.3 WAR per season, along with an average OPS of 953 and an average OPS+ of 160.

That is not only a HOFer, but a tier 1 all time talent.

Don't get too hung up on batting average. Luis Arraez has led the league in hitting the last three seasons but I don't think anyone considers him a generational talent.

Yup. People getting carried away with old-timey thoughts about Arraez to. "A throw back", "A real hitter", "How a hitter should always be". Don't get me wrong. He's a nice little player. "Professional Hitter" as they say....but he's Ralph Garr 2.0. Mid-career Ichiro without the speed or defense. That's about it.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by packs

Soto is most definitely a generational talent. He is 25 years old and has 7 seasons in the MLB behind him already. The list of players who can say the same is very small.

In that time he has won 5 Silver Sluggers, the World Series, a batting title, and has averaged 6.3 WAR per season, along with an average OPS of 953 and an average OPS+ of 160.

That is not only a HOFer, but a tier 1 all time talent.

Just one batting title in seven years? Nor has he even been in contention for the batting title in the last three years. And I noticed that you neglected to mention the Golden Gloves Soto has won. I suspect there may be some reason for that.

My standards for "generational talent" and "tier 1 all time talent" are either higher than yours or pickings are rather slim these days. Looking no further than New York, I'd have to say Aaron Judge fits those descriptions better.

Originally Posted by packs

Don't get too hung up on batting average.

Huh?! Is that possible?

Originally Posted by packs

Luis Arraez has led the league in hitting the last three seasons but I don't think anyone considers him a generational talent.

No, Luis Arraez isn't a generational talent. I will say that he's grossly underrated though. It's probably a media thing because he's not playing in New York or Los Angeles.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Hmmmm, Juan Soto's batting averages in the last two years were .275 and .288 and he had 68 and 76 multi-base hits respectively in those two years. If Soto's a "generational hitting talent", you'll have to forgive this old guy for sneering at today's younger generation.

Speaking of Soto as part of the current generation of ballplayers though, I hope most of them are in better shape. I actually have more of a six pack than does Soto and I'm close to three times his age!

Sigh, what's his OBP those seasons?

Talking about 6 packs, LOL. I hope you're not one of those who wax poetically about how superior Babe Ruth is to everybody today.

Don't remember Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs having 6 packs either.

But yeah, some asshole called him a thug in the YouTube comments once....

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Sigh, what's his OBP those seasons?

Here, I'll be kind enough to look it up for you - .410 in 2023 and .419 in 2024.

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Talking about 6 packs, LOL.... Don't remember Tony Gwynn or Wade Boggs having 6 packs either.

Nor did they ask for private boxes in contract negotiations.

And shouldn't any such comparison also be age adjusted? A professional athlete (especially in this day and age) should be in peak physical condition at the age of 26.

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

I hope you're not one of those who wax poetically about how superior Babe Ruth is to everybody today.

Certainly not! I might wax poetic about Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb, Stan Musial or Roberto Clemente, but only benighted Yankee fans would wax poetic about "The Big Baboon".

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

But yeah, some asshole called him a thug in the YouTube comments once....

I won't call Juan Soto a thug. I will call him lazy, out-of-shape, over entitled and overrated though. And I wish he'd gotten his private suite at Yankee Stadium and stayed with the New York Yankees. I've been a Yankee hater since grade one and I'm always glad to add another reason!

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Here, I'll be kind enough to look it up for you - .410 in 2023 and .419 in 2024.



Nor did they ask for private boxes in contract negotiations.

And shouldn't any such comparison also be age adjusted? A professional athlete (especially in this day and age) should be in peak physical condition at the age of 26.



Certainly not! I might wax poetic about Honus Wagner, Ty Cobb, Stan Musial or Roberto Clemente, but only benighted Yankee fans would wax poetic about "The Big Baboon".



I won't call Juan Soto a thug. I will call him lazy, out-of-shape, over entitled and overrated though. And I wish he'd gotten his private suite at Yankee Stadium and stayed with the New York Yankees. I've been a Yankee hater since grade one and I'm always glad to add another reason!

OK, I'll admit I respect you for answering all that point by point.

Even if I don't agree with some of it.

[packs]

Babe Ruth won one batting title in 22 seasons.

I don't know why you're knocking Soto on his average. He's the active leader among all of baseball in career on base percentage right now. Doesn't that counteract any deficiencies in batting average?

[Seven]

Originally Posted by packs

Babe Ruth won one batting title in 22 seasons.

I don't know why you're knocking Soto on his average. He's the active leader among all of baseball in career on base percentage right now. Doesn't that counteract any deficiencies in batting average?

I can't recall the stat off the top of my head, I believe it was OPS+, but Soto equaled or bettered the likes of Mantle and Williams in it by the same age. Not saying that he will end up with a better career then either of those players but he's certainly off to a promising start. Though numbers aren't everything, but they certainly are a part of the equation.

[packs]

I'm glad you brought up Mantle. He would have also been another faux generational talent with only a single batting title in his first seven seasons.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by packs

Babe Ruth won one batting title in 22 seasons.

I don't know why you're knocking Soto on his average. He's the active leader among all of baseball in career on base percentage right now. Doesn't that counteract any deficiencies in batting average?

No. Perhaps if he has a SLG of 604 or even 575 it would make up for it. Soto has a good year with Judge hitting behind him. Who from the Mets is going to get Soto pitched to? Drawing walks so the guy behind you can make the last out isn't a recipe for success.

[packs]

Originally Posted by rats60

No. Perhaps if he has a SLG of 604 or even 575 it would make up for it. Soto has a good year with Judge hitting behind him. Who from the Mets is going to get Soto pitched to? Drawing walks so the guy behind you can make the last out isn't a recipe for success.

That's your opinion but in my life I was taught from a very early age that a walk is as good as a hit. His career slugging percentage is 532.