O/T - Juan Soto - 15 years/$765M with the Mets

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

When you're the most storied, dominant, successful, popular and valuable team in all of Major League Baseball... you have absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about lol

Originally Posted by brian1961

Juan believed he was entitled to a free suite at Yankee Stadium, whilst Derek Jeter and Aaron Judge pay for theirs. I guess that was the final straw that Brian Cashman decided was not going to fly. In essence, with all the money you'll be making, you can afford to pay for your own suite. Well said, and well decided, Mr. Cashman. If that's the state of Juan Soto's mentality, I say to the Mets, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!"

As for Soto, from now on, to me, he'll be known as

SEMI-SUITE SOTO. -- Brian Powell

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, Yankee fans...

[brian1961]

Yeah, Bobby, I feel much better for saying to Mets fans, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!!" His thinking he deserved a free Yankee suite REALLY turned me off. It was not as if the Yanks' offer was a low-ball, chintzy amount. Semi-suite Soto really showed the inter-workings of his character during these negotiations. Sure, the Yanks will need to find someone to bat before Mr. Judge, but I think they eventually will.

So, Bobby, if your a Mets fan, I am happy for you. Be that as it may, with several King's ransoms to pay, the perceived expectations upon Semi-suite Soto will be off-the-charts. Semi-suite Soto got nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium, and this is how he returns it? Not to be a voice of doom, but Mets fans are not quiet and sheepish when they decide to voice their unhappiness...... --- Brian Powell

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by brian1961

Yeah, Bobby, I feel much better for saying to Mets fans, "YOU CAN HAVE 'EM!!!!!!!!" His thinking he deserved a free Yankee suite REALLY turned me off. It was not as if the Yanks' offer was a low-ball, chintzy amount. Semi-suite Soto really showed the inter-workings of his character during these negotiations. Sure, the Yanks will need to find someone to bat before Mr. Judge, but I think they eventually will.

So, Bobby, if your a Mets fan, I am happy for you. Be that as it may, with several King's ransoms to pay, the perceived expectations upon Semi-suite Soto will be off-the-charts. Semi-suite Soto got nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium, and this is how he returns it? Not to be a voice of doom, but Mets fans are not quiet and sheepish when they decide to voice their unhappiness...... --- Brian Powell

You can also easily say that it's Yankees that were being cheap by not giving him a suite...Would George have given him the suite?

I have heard that Soto was turned off from the Yankees by an incident where stadium security kicked his family out of the clubhouse.

On the plus side, at least they're spending. Even though they're using the money for pitchers that they don't really need...

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

I have heard that Soto was turned off from the Yankees by an incident where stadium security kicked his family out of the clubhouse.

What's the standard clubhouse policy of the Yankees? Are family members allowed?

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

What's the standard clubhouse policy of the Yankees? Are family members allowed?

I'm not sure. Perhaps a question for one of our resident Yankee fans...

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

You can also easily say that it's Yankees that were being cheap by not giving him a suite...Would George have given him the suite?

I have heard that Soto was turned off from the Yankees by an incident where stadium security kicked his family out of the clubhouse.

On the plus side, at least they're spending. Even though they're using the money for pitchers that they don't really need...

I’m a Dodgers fan first and Mets second, so I look at this wanting to dislike the Yankees; I thought trading Cortes for Williams and signing Fried were some nice moves. Getting rid of Cortes after that Game 1 GS has some added value.

[Balticfox]

Some of the Youtube comments are telling:

Originally Posted by d-man 117

soto is a punk, a thug, a bad attitude villain, and he sucks as an outsider. What in the heck are the Mets thinkin?

Originally Posted by peterrak9554

My buddy was head of security for the Padres and told me Soto’s family and entourage was the worst to deal with. Ridiculous demands and 100% catered treatment which is not in the slightest bit a priority. If they didn’t get it they through fits

I do the VIP executive protection at Raiders games and we don’t get that level of entitlement from high net worth VIPs who needless to say, have more value.

That kind of player, that kind of stuff, is a cancer in the locker room and steadily destroys a team. More MLB managers should have the gumption that Bobby Cox had when he took over the Toronto Blue Jays in 1982 and put an end to the silly contract perks. Cox was reported to have told Cliff Johnson and others "I don't care what your contract says. That horsecrap (personal limousine to the game rather than the team bus) ends right now if you want to play for this team."

[calvindog]

By all accounts, Soto was a model teammate with the Yankees and wherever he’s played. It’s a historic signing for the Mets and I just pray it doesn’t work out like most of the Mets’ big signings.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by calvindog

By all accounts, Soto was a model teammate with the Yankees and wherever he’s played.

Oh?!

No Contact with Yankees Teammates

Plus evidently his relationship with Manny Machado of the Padres was "difficult".

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Some of the Youtube comments are telling:





That kind of player, that kind of stuff, is a cancer in the locker room and steadily destroys a team. More MLB managers should have the gumption that Bobby Cox had when he took over the Toronto Blue Jays in 1982 and put an end to the silly contract perks. Cox was reported to have told Cliff Johnson and others "I don't care what your contract says. That horsecrap (personal limousine to the game rather than the team bus) ends right now if you want to play for this team."

I'd like to see data backing up the oft asserted claims about locker room dissension impacting on field performance and, vice versa, the claims about players adding value because they were great "clubhouse leaders." There have certainly been dysfunctional winning teams.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I'd like to see data backing up the oft asserted claims about locker room dissension impacting on field performance and, vice versa, the claims about players adding value because they were great "clubhouse leaders." There have certainly been dysfunctional winning teams.

I'm not the first to say it, but the statisticians can confirm baseball is an individual sport disguised as a team sport.

[John1941]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Some of the Youtube comments are telling:





That kind of player, that kind of stuff, is a cancer in the locker room and steadily destroys a team. More MLB managers should have the gumption that Bobby Cox had when he took over the Toronto Blue Jays in 1982 and put an end to the silly contract perks. Cox was reported to have told Cliff Johnson and others "I don't care what your contract says. That horsecrap (personal limousine to the game rather than the team bus) ends right now if you want to play for this team."

So you're getting your news from YouTube comments?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

That kind of player, that kind of stuff, is a cancer in the locker room and steadily destroys a team. More MLB managers should have the gumption that Bobby Cox had when he took over the Toronto Blue Jays in 1982 and put an end to the silly contract perks. Cox was reported to have told Cliff Johnson and others "I don't care what your contract says. That horsecrap (personal limousine to the game rather than the team bus) ends right now if you want to play for this team."

How'd that work out for Bobby? A rep for Toronto underperforming while he was there and a 1st round exit the year they made the playoffs where they blew a 3-1 lead.

Seems weird to admire a guy who believes contracts shouldn't be honored.

[Writehooks]

$1 million per week. Every week. For 15 years. Nice.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by John1941

So you're getting your news from YouTube comments?

Preferable to certain others!

Originally Posted by Tabe

How'd that work out for Bobby? A rep for Toronto underperforming while he was there and a 1st round exit the year they made the playoffs where they blew a 3-1 lead.

A cheap and ill informed shot at Bobby Cox who took over the Blue Jays in 1982. He turned a sad sack club into a contender. Here are the Jays' numbers before, during and after the Cox era:

1981: 37-69 (7th)

1982: 78-84 (6th)
1983: 89-73 (4th)
1984: 89-73 (2nd)
1985: 99-62 (1st)

1986: 86-76 (4th)

Originally Posted by Tabe

Seems weird to admire a guy who believes contracts shouldn't be honored.

While the Blue Jays were obligated to honour the terms of the written contract and they would have, a manager fills out the lineup card. Cliff Johnson could have chosen to continue getting his limousine rides to Exhibition Stadium where his position would have been on the end of the bench. Or in Syracuse of the International League. His choice.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by brian1961

So, Bobby, if your a Mets fan, I am happy for you. Be that as it may, with several King's ransoms to pay, the perceived expectations upon Semi-suite Soto will be off-the-charts. Semi-suite Soto got nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium, and this is how he returns it? Not to be a voice of doom, but Mets fans are not quiet and sheepish when they decide to voice their unhappiness...... --- Brian Powell

I dislike the Mets, love the Yanks.

However.

Soto may have received nothing but love and respect at Yankee Stadium. Mostly because he's not really a streaky hitter, and is a picture of consistency at what he does good.

but...

In his first (and only) year in Yankee Stadium, he witnessed Aaron Judge regularly getting mercilessly booed at Yankee Stadium for the 1st month of the season, when Judge was mired in a slump, before he broke out of it, and ended up having a somewhat historical regular season.

That's Aaron Judge! The most beloved figure in New York since Derek Jeter and Mark Messier.

What happens when the guy now getting paid MORE than Judge, and was NOT a homegrown hero, takes a statistical downturn or goes into a slump? Mets fans aren't any more acerbic then Yankees fans.

Also, the suite had nothing to do with nothing.

Cohen was going to outbid whoever, and that's what Scott Boras was whispering into Soto's ear. Leverage the Yankees, Dodgers and whoever else, and prove I'm the superstar agent everybody thinks I am...whether it makes me or you seem like a villain or not.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better, Yankee fans...

Nothing I said was untrue.... absolutely nothing. Yankee haters... lol

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Nothing I said was untrue.... absolutely nothing. Yankee haters... lol

You said the Yankees "have nothing to be embarrassed about"...losing Soto to the Mets (after you gave up a haul of prospects for him and he carried you to the WS) is nothing if not embarrassing

[Hxcmilkshake]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

You said the Yankees "have nothing to be embarrassed about"...losing Soto to the Mets (after you gave up a haul of prospects for him and he carried you to the WS) is nothing if not embarrassing

Haul? Who Michael King? Hope they enjoy him he's gone after this year. Pooping on that trade shows you're just a hater. That was perfectly fine to give up that "haul" lol



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[packs]

I agree. That trade put the Yankees in the World Series. Michael King is a nice player but I think you trade him for a chance at a title every time.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Hxcmilkshake

Haul? Who Michael King? Hope they enjoy him he's gone after this year. Pooping on that trade shows you're just a hater. That was perfectly fine to give up that "haul" lol Sent from my SM-S928U using Tapatalk

You missed my point. The trade itself was fine, but we both know the Yankees wanted badly for him to stay. In fact, the trade worked out almost as well as it could have for them, and he still chose to leave. Their embarrassment is why they went and massively overpaid Max Fried right afterwards.

Also, I can do without the ad hom attacks: "you're a this, you're a that." Grow up

[packs]

Come on now. They did not overpay Max Fried and Max Fried's signing was not related to Soto walking. The Yankees needed a starter with or without Soto, just like they need a first baseman.

A reminder that the Red Sox gave Aroldis Chapman 10.75 million to not even close out games.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by packs

Come on now. They did not overpay Max Fried and Max Fried's signing was not related to Soto walking. The Yankees needed a starter with or without Soto, just like they need a first baseman.

A reminder that the Red Sox gave Aroldis Chapman 10.75 million to not even close out games.

8 years and $200 million to a 30-year old pitcher? I can't believe that will work out well. Also, it's left handed hitting that they need, not more starters...

I'm not going to defend that Chapman signing either...but at least it's only one year.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

You said the Yankees "have nothing to be embarrassed about"...losing Soto to the Mets (after you gave up a haul of prospects for him and he carried you to the WS) is nothing if not embarrassing

Hardly. lol Things like this happen to all teams at times, but no teams have the accolades I mentioned that the Yankees do.... no teams.
So AGAIN, they have nothing to be embarrassed about.

[packs]

The Yankees very rarely trade someone who is actually good. The only player in recent memory I can think of who began their career as a Yankees prospect and went on to have a solid career after they traded him is Alfonso Soriano, and they traded him for A-Rod.

The Yankees have traded a ton of hyped prospects over the years, guys like Nick Johnson, Jesus Montero, Austin Jackson, etc. They are typically players it was wise to trade.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Huysmans

Hardly. lol Things like this happen to all teams at times, but no teams have the accolades I mentioned that the Yankees do.... no teams.
So AGAIN, they have nothing to be embarrassed about.

The championships from decades ago don't matter to anyone except Yankees employees and fans. Losing Soto under the circumstances to your crosstown rival (whose roster isn't even as good) would be embarrassing to any franchise, but it's especially so for the Yankees, who fancy themselves the top franchise in NY.