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[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Is there a source that this is in fact the ballot? I am not finding one, and I am reading pretty definitively Allen for example is not eligible for another year.

https://baseballhall.org/news/classi...announced-2025

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

What an absolutely boring list.

[riggs336]

Boyer and Tiant would head my list. And I'm ok with the rest, although I have reservations about Garvey.

[Beercan collector]

A vote tor Dick Allen - nearly his entire career (1963-1977) played during a modern pitcher-dominated dead ball era - yet a .912 OPS , that and his 162 game average is much better than any other hitters on the list ..
Admittedly his abbreviated career doesn’t help

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

https://baseballhall.org/news/classi...announced-2025

Ah. I guess in 2022 they restructured the era committees so the old rules about eligibility after rejection must be moot. To your point, it does seem if you put people up over and over again eventually more and more will get in.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Ah. I guess in 2022 they restructured the era committees so the old rules about eligibility after rejection must be moot. To your point, it does seem if you put people up over and over again eventually more and more will get in.

I feel like usually the ballot is quickly broadcast around the online baseball world but I’ve seen this ballot basically nowhere except the Hall’s own site.


I would vote for some of these guys, but it kind of gets ridiculous when it’s the same handful of names the selection committee wants to put in over and over and over again. This format guarantees they will pretty much all be out in eventually. It’s not like we have a shortage of candidates who merit honest consideration, and have not had 25 chances. A number of 19th century players for example I don’t think have ever seriously been considered. While I would vote for Dick Allen, just putting him on every ballot until he eventually gets selected is not a very honest or meritorious selection process. How you frame and set up votes effectively determines eventual outcomes, and that’s what they keep doing with the vet committee’s here - feed the same names to a very small group of voters until those names get picked.

[cgjackson222]

Steve Garvey has been on the ballot 20 times, including 5 by the veteran's committee (2011, 2014, 2018, 2020, and now 2024). He got 37.5% of the vote in 2020. I don't understand why they can't give someone else a chance, especially after he didn't come close to getting in the last time.

Dick Allen has been on the ballot 21 times, including 7 by the Veteran's committee. But I believe he missed by only 1 vote in both 2015 and 2022 (68.8%).

Too bad they couldn't Allen in during his lifetime.
Same goes for Tiant. (And Minnie Minoso and Gil Hodges).

I think Allen and Tiant are both deserving.

Tiant had been vocal about wanting to be elected while alive:

“I already told my family, ‘They put me after I die, don’t go anywhere. Don’t go to the Hall of Fame, don’t go to Cooperstown, don’t go no god— place,’” Tiant said. “‘Cause I think it’s wrong what they do.”

Tiant doesn’t see the benefit of posthumous induction.

“What good is that they put you after you die?” Tiant said, adding, “You can’t do nothing with your family and your friends.”

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Steve Garvey has been on the ballot 20 times, including 5 by the veteran's committee (2011, 2014, 2018, 2020, and now 2024). He got 37.5% of the vote in 2020. I don't understand why they can't give someone else a chance, especially after he didn't come close to getting in the last time.

Dick Allen has been on the ballot 21 times, including 7 by the Veteran's committee. But I believe he missed by only 1 vote in both 2015 and 2022 (68.8%).

Too bad they couldn't Allen in during his lifetime.
Same goes for Tiant. (And Minnie Minoso and Gil Hodges).

I think Allen and Tiant are both deserving.

Tiant had been vocal about wanting to be elected while alive:

“I already told my family, ‘They put me after I die, don’t go anywhere. Don’t go to the Hall of Fame, don’t go to Cooperstown, don’t go no god— place,’” Tiant said. “‘Cause I think it’s wrong what they do.”

Tiant doesn’t see the benefit of posthumous induction.

“What good is that they put you after you die?” Tiant said, adding, “You can’t do nothing with your family and your friends.”

Wasn't Hodges rejected about a million times before he made it?

[jchcollins]

I'm a big advocate of Tiant and Dick Allen.

Garvey, despite the fact I think he's a schmuck - probably belongs in as well.

[GaryPassamonte]

The fact that the HOF encompasses baseball from is beginnings to the year 1980 in one category is a joke. When the man that contributed the most to in establishing the rules for baseball (Doc Adams) is not in the HOF, There is something really wrong. The HOF claims to be the claims to be the bastion of baseball history. Unfortunately, it has become a bastion of the flavor of the month.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Wasn't Hodges rejected about a million times before he made it?

Yep. I remember wondering as a teenager why Hodges wasn't in. It finally happened 30 some years later...

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

And how many times does this make for Boyer?

My guess is that Allen and Boyer get in. Not awful, but could have been so much better with more historic candidates.

[scotgreb]

I think it is helpful that the number of candidates has been reduced from ten to eight. I've said in the past that it requires collusion to vote someone in per this process -- especially when the ballot is balanced with many relatively worthy candidates. It should also help that Garvey and Parker will get no support imo.

Dick Allen recently missed by one vote and Vic Harris by two. That might indicate they are more likely -- but sometimes the support just disappears, e.g., Bill Dahlen a few years ago.

I expect that all on this ballot, except Parker and Garvey, will eventually be inducted, unless they get LaRussa/Reinsdorf/Baines-type support.

[Rich Klein]

Parker will get in, probably within the next 10 years or so

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

It's pretty sad that the Major League choices only extend back to a lone 1950's debut. There are an abundance of more deserving people to choose from. Tiant?