![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|
#1
|
||||
|
||||
![]()
I'd be fine with all the major leaguers listed by MuncieNolePAZ (I had said ballot but looking back Jaffe said the ballot won't be released until tomorrow) except Garvey and Parker - their basic stats far outstrip their overall value.
I don't think Vic Harris belongs. Harris was an outfielder with an okay glove and a career OPS+ of 112. BR places his career value at 10.6 WAR for 645 games - and that's assuming that the Negro Leagues were 100% as good as the white major leagues, which I am skeptical of. I think he'd be close to the the worst hall of famer if inducted - probably better than Tommy McCarthy but not better than many others. I have an open mind about Donaldson - he's an unusual case and I'd have to study his career deeply to be sure either way. His brief time in BLK/NLB is uneven - he seems to have been very good in 1918 and 1919 but undistinguished in other years. Because of that, the case for his greatness would have to depend heavily on his time pitching in the semi-pros. He dominated there, but a thorough study of the quality of his opposition would have to be made before we can know what that really means.
__________________
I blog at https://adventuresofabaseballcardcollector.blogspot.com and https://universalbaseballhistory.blogspot.com Last edited by John1941; 11-03-2024 at 08:31 PM. Reason: Correcting original underestimation of John Donaldson. |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Donaldson was voted on in 2021 as part of the early days ballot. I would like to see new players considered.
|
#3
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
No love for George "Tubby" Scales... *sigh*
|
#4
|
||||
|
||||
![]()
Just refreshed my memory. Where the heck was he from 1930-34 when he had no stats? Those would have been his peak years.
__________________
Net 54-- the discussion board where people resent discussions. ![]() My avatar is a sketch by my son who is an art school graduate. Some of his sketches and paintings are at https://www.jamesspaethartwork.com/ |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
I am not sure why his, or anyones, stats with the Montgomery Grey Sox arent included in any tallies. '32 was when the Negro Southern League was a de facto major league but the numbers never show up. Likely not enough box scores to complete the season, but it seems they should add what has been found.
|
#6
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Me I would vote for Tommy John #1
His pitching stats should get him in AND he has a surgery named for him. That covers the fame. Honestly, any one on this list is worthy and it would be a shame to have either Allen or Tiant go in after they passed when we could have gotten them in when still alive Rich
__________________
Look for our show listings in the Net 54 Calendar section |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
![]()
Vic Harris was a tremendous ballplayer and an even better manager. He managed the Grays to first place 8 times in 11 seasons and never had a losing record. He was sort of Joe Torre candidate. Although I think there are many more deserving negro league players. starting with Lundy, Marcelle, Beckwith, Scales, Wright, Poles, Redding, Home Run Johnson, Oms, Rap Dixon, Fats Jenkins, Nip Winters, etc. But Harris was the best manager, hands down, and deserves to be in the HOF for that alone.
|
#8
|
||||
|
||||
![]() Quote:
Lew and I were surgical residents together at Northwestern. Considering the longevity and increased use of the procedure today, why not put Dr. Yocum on the Hall of Fame ballot. He also served as the team physician for the Angels for several decades, so he could have an Angel’s hat and a stethoscope on his HOF plaque. I do believe his procedure has made a significant contribution to history of baseball and every hall of fame needs a doctor. Dr. Jobe’s clinic is often associated with the Tommy John procedure, but Jobe gave his associate, Yocum, the bulk of the credit for its development. Unfortunately Lew passed away in 2013.
__________________
RAUCOUS SPORTS CARD FORUM MEMBER AND MONSTER FATHER. GOOD FOR THE HOBBY AND THE FORUM WITH A VAULT IN AN UNDISCLOSED LOCATION FILLED WITH WORTHLESS NON-FUNGIBLES 274/1000 Monster Number |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
![]() Quote:
Whether he is the best Negro League candidate is a question, but he is a worthy one. Donaldson played many of his games before the official leagues existed, but was a 1952 Courier 1st team member, which is a significant statement. |
![]() |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
HOF Eras committee | theshleps | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 4 | 07-25-2023 04:36 PM |
Hall of Fame Early Baseball Committee | CardCollector | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 91 | 10-17-2020 01:12 PM |
What does the SABR Baseball Card History and Influence Research Committee do? | DaClyde | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 12 | 12-23-2016 09:44 AM |
What does the SABR Baseball Card History and Influence Research Committee do? | DaClyde | Watercooler Talk- ALL sports talk | 5 | 12-14-2016 05:54 PM |
SABR reviving Baseball Card Committee | Rich Klein | Net54baseball Vintage (WWII & Older) Baseball Cards & New Member Introductions | 10 | 12-10-2016 11:33 AM |