Revisiting 1963 Topps Mantle Potential Color Variant

[packs]

Show me a 1963 Topps common that faded into a blue box. It should be simple but it’s not and that’s what I’m pointing out.

There are cards in the set issued with standard blue boxes and the green boxes clearly have blue beneath them. I don’t find this as unusual as you do. If it was an independent color not otherwise in use, sure. But it’s not out of place either.

[packs]

I’d also like to point out the condition of the cards. Technical grades aside, all three cards are pretty sharp and don’t give me the impression they were cast aside or left unattended for decades in the sun.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by packs

I’d also like to point out the condition of the cards. Technical grades aside, all three cards are pretty sharp and don’t give me the impression they were cast aside or left unattended for decades in the sun.

OK lets make this extremely simple. YOU send me a 1963 Mantle or any other card from the set with the green bottom plus $500. If I can't turn it blue I will return the card and $1000. After I turn the green blue I will post several pics of the color change on here and return the card to you minus my $500 educational fee. We will use your card that way there is no way of you saying it is a different card. It does not take decades and yes I have done it with a 63 Topps card before.

[G1911]

100% fading. I can make these cards in my home easily, removing all of the green or only patterns and parts of it.

Red to Orange on T cards are faded or glue altered. Green to blue on Topps is likewise almost always fading. None of these cards shown left the factory that way and are just heavily damaged.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bnorth

OK lets make this extremely simple. YOU send me a 1963 Mantle or any other card from the set with the green bottom plus $500. If I can't turn it blue I will return the card and $1000. After I turn the green blue I will post several pics of the color change on here and return the card to you minus my $500 educational fee. We will use your card that way there is no way of you saying it is a different card. It does not take decades and yes I have done it with a 63 Topps card before.

I'm still struggling to understand your point. You're saying you can purposely manipulate cards to mirror this wear, but how does that confirm that this type of wear is natural?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm still struggling to understand your point. You're saying you can purposely manipulate cards to mirror this wear, but how does that confirm that this type of wear is natural?

What does wear have to do with color?

I get it you want to believe you have some cool super rare card but in reality you have some faded garbage. Like I said I was really sad when I found out the same thing in my collection.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bnorth

What does wear have to do with color?

I get it you want to believe you have some cool super rare card but in reality you have some faded garbage. Like I said I was really sad when I found out the same thing in my collection.

Haha I have a Mickey Mantle card either way in pretty nice shape so I don't think I have garbage. I also didn't pay very much for the ONE example I actually own. The other two were found independently because I look for them. I'm also not super active on the BST but my card has also not been offered for sale.

You're saying this wear is naturally occurring and will occur the same way for all cards because it's just the sun. Then show me another card. I have only found this issue with this one card. I would love to see others.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I'm still struggling to understand your point. You're saying you can purposely manipulate cards to mirror this wear, but how does that confirm that this type of wear is natural?

It seems logical to me. He is saying he can accelerate what would be a longer, natural process of sun fading, to show the effect fading can have on color.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It seems logical to me. He is saying he can accelerate what would be a longer, natural process of sun fading, to show the effect fading can have on color.

Not to me he's not. He's saying he can match color. But that doesn't mean the sun will do the same thing. It just means he found a way to match the color.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Why does the face look washed out?