BST Section: Has priceless become the norm rather than the exception?

[G1911]

If it is the norm as the OP says, then isn’t the OP’s opinion the one that is contrarian?

As both sides have been taken already, which opinion would render me a conformist to agree with? Which a contrarian? Is there any moral high ground available to claim?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

If it is the norm as the OP says, then isn’t the OP’s opinion the one that is contrarian?

As both sides have been taken already, which opinion would render me a conformist to agree with? Which a contrarian? Is there any moral high ground available to claim?

I think Jason has already claimed it, so no.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think Jason has already claimed it, so no.

Dang, I was hoping for some easy virtue space to plant my flag in and claim.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Dang, I was hoping for some easy virtue space to plant my flag in and claim.

Sorry. And I've already claimed the contrarian, always wrong ground so no room there either.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sorry. And I've already claimed the contrarian, always wrong ground so no room there either.

If I am not right and am not wrong and there is no moral or immoral of any kind for me, do I even exist? If you are always wrong but I know from other threads that I am always wrong but we always disagree, what really is? If I know that I am always wrong, I must know that I am for I must be to be wrong, but if I now cannot be right nor wrong is there really anything making me be anymore? I am going to have a full fledged identity crisis until we have a thread about favorite T206 colors to ground me.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody's making you waste your time. If you think that's the likely outcome, just move on. I am not seeing the problem, much less the moral imperative of listing a price. Then again, I'm an annoying contrarian who is almost always wrong, apparently.

I have bought a lot of cards on here over the years so with sellers that have been on here for a while you can lean who messaging is a waste of time or someone that will work with you. LOL, even IF you are almost always wrong I still like you.

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If I list a card on ebay at a prohibitive BIN but with a best offer option, isn't that essentially the same thing? Do people have some moral issue with that?

Not really because it is just sending a number that takes a few seconds. I do not add notes or negotiate. I just send one offer and I get the card or don't.

Originally Posted by G1911

If it is the norm as the OP says, then isn’t the OP’s opinion the one that is contrarian?

As both sides have been taken already, which opinion would render me a conformist to agree with? Which a contrarian? Is there any moral high ground available to claim?

Not really just a bunch of old guys complaining.

[timn1]

I think you have arrived at the heart of the matter!

Seems to me a lot of grumbling on all sides about basically nothing....

Originally Posted by G1911

If it is the norm as the OP says, then isn’t the OP’s opinion the one that is contrarian?

As both sides have been taken already, which opinion would render me a conformist to agree with? Which a contrarian? Is there any moral high ground available to claim?

[frankbmd]

I will add my grumble, but will only reveal it for the best offer.

[Fred]

I'm usually a hard pass on most BST items because the prices are a bit "optimistic" from a sellers stand point. I did recently purchase a card that was priced right, but that's the exception rather than the rule. I check it daily because every once in a while, something shows up that I'd like to have (at a reasonable price). But again, not that often any more.

I've made a few trades that started on the BST. The toughest part is having two parties that have a clue about card values and neither needing to feel they have to come out ahead. The way I see it, if I'm on the "under" side of a trade, then it's because it was my choice and I did so because I wanted to add something to my collection that I'd otherwise have to pay for. I like trading, it used to be a fun part of the hobby many years ago.

The BST isn't dead. You just have to be patient and wade through a lot of stuff that is more than optimistically priced.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fred

I'm usually a hard pass on most BST items because the prices are a bit "optimistic" from a sellers stand point. I did recently purchase a card that was priced right, but that's the exception rather than the rule. I check it daily because every once in a while, something shows up that I'd like to have (at a reasonable price). But again, not that often any more.

I've made a few trades that started on the BST. The toughest part is having two parties that have a clue about card values and neither needing to feel they have to come out ahead. The way I see it, if I'm on the "under" side of a trade, then it's because it was my choice and I did so because I wanted to add something to my collection that I'd otherwise have to pay for. I like trading, it used to be a fun part of the hobby many years ago.

The BST isn't dead. You just have to be patient and wade through a lot of stuff that is more than optimistically priced.

Not at all directed against Fred, but proving my point that people complain when the seller doesn't list a price, and most of the time when they do.

[Snapolit1]

Agree with OP.

No price in most cases means “I’m not looking for a market price transaction ….. I am looking for someone uninformed to overpay me dramatically ….”

I generally skip those. Can’t think of many commercial transactions where someone refuses to name the selling price.

Only exception maybe an ultra rare item with no discernible market.

Just another example of this market where buyers and sellers are often operating from different realities. “I don’t want the 2024 price dammit …. I want the March 2021 price!!”

[rand1com]

Any item I am interested in buying, I know what I will pay so making an offer without an asking price is not an issue.

I have done it a few times on here and bought the item at my offer. Did I pay more than I could have gotten the item for? Maybe. But I got it at the price I was willing to pay.

Same as putting in a ceiling bid in an auction. If I win at my high bid, I got it for a price I was satisfied with. Would I prefer to get it for less, of course?

[eliotdeutsch]

Maybe I’m contrarian too.

But only a buyer looking to “pick someone off” would get so upset about a listing without a price …

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not at all directed against Fred, but proving my point that people complain when the seller doesn't list a price, and most of the time when they do.

I look at it my comments about the pricing on the BST as an observation rather than a complaint. The comment wasn't directed to "no pricing". I guess (as usual) I just start blurting/writing stuff that's a little off topic. That shouldn't be a surprise to most people that ignore my posts...

My thought about no pricing is that I simply pass on the item unless it's something I'm interested in. If I'm interested, I'll send a request for pricing. If none is given, then it's just a total pass on the item. That's probably how I should have responded originally.

As to "why" the seller doesn't provide pricing, I can only speculate that they're looking for a buyer that really wants the card and would be willing to pay more than the going price for the card and the seller is afraid to list the card with a price because if someone immediately says "I'll take it", then the may feel they screwed up because they could have received more for the card. Makes you wonder if the seller gets offended if someone makes them an offer they feel is a bit too low.

[BobbyStrawberry]

I don't get upset by such posts, but it has always seemed to me that they are somehow not 100% genuinely interested in selling. If you really want to sell something, wouldn't you put a price on it?

Sure, there's risk that someone will jump on it and you'll feel stupid (as Fred points out) but there's also risk the other way—you alienate potential buyers who won't make an offer for fear of being seen as "too low" and therefore insulting.