Which Jackie would you buy?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Jackiesandjordans claim is every one is crooked on the top. Guessing he would know

They SHOULD be, but 02023137 the card edge and the image edge are perfectly parallel, and the bottom edge of the card is parallel to the case, however the top edge is NOT parallel to the case. Seems a clear case of someone squaring up the cut to the image not realizing that they now have an impossible shape. Bottom is square to the sides but the top edge runs up hill (to match the image) in comparison to the bottom edge (and the PSA Slab)

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

They SHOULD be, but 02023137 the card edge and the image edge are perfectly parallel, and the bottom edge of the card is parallel to the case, however the top edge is NOT parallel to the case. Seems a clear case of someone squaring up the cut to the image not realizing that they now have an impossible shape. Bottom is square to the sides but the top edge runs up hill (to match the image) in comparison to the bottom edge (and the PSA Slab)

Yes, that is the one I was referring to when I said I informed the owner that his card was trimmed. He had PSA review it and if you look up the cert, it now shows it in an AA holder.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, that is the one I was referring to when I said I informed the owner that his card was trimmed. He had PSA review it and if you look up the cert, it now shows it in an AA holder.

Good to know I haven't lost my mind (or my eye)

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Yes, that is the one I was referring to when I said I informed the owner that his card was trimmed. He had PSA review it and if you look up the cert, it now shows it in an AA holder.

Yikes that card once sold for $145,294.80

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Yikes that card once sold for $145,294.80

Starting to get uncomfortably close to the $250k cap on PSA’s guarantee!

[Republicaninmass]

If you want to see some dreamers, ebay sort 1952 Jackies by highest price

[Snowman]

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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by raulus

Starting to get uncomfortably close to the $250k cap on PSA’s guarantee!

Ya, it's a $250k cap per card, but there's also a lifetime cap of $500k per individual. So you don't get many chances to cash in when something goes wrong if you're a high end collector. Some of these guys like Marshall Fogel, Ken Kendrick, and Brady Hill have millions of dollars worth of trimmed cards in their collections and they don't even know it. It's a significant risk to carry. Fogel's 52 Mantle is sheet cut.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, it's a $250k cap per card, but there's also a lifetime cap of $500k per individual. So you don't get many chances to cash in when something goes wrong if you're a high end collector. Some of these guys like Marshall Fogel, Ken Kendrick, and Brady Hill have millions of dollars worth of trimmed cards in their collections and they don't even know it. It's a significant risk to carry. Fogel's 52 Mantle is sheet cut.

100% agree. I honestly think over well 70% of high end pre-1970 cards are either trimmed or cleaned w/ who knows what chemicals. Back in the day, people soaked cards with all kinds of crap w/o knowing exactly the consequences. However, trimming is the #1 problem w/ vintage cuts.


So many older graded high end PSA cards are so obviously trimmed. If the owners of these took against PSA even if the max $ cap didn’t exist, their egos would be hurt w/ the reduced PSA set registry rankings.


E.g. I think the following card was trimmed. Might be wrong but don’t think I am.
Take this extremely high grade 1952 Topps Ed Mathews. Can’t believe this card passed grading even decades ago. Talk about a bad hair cut. Whoever this moron is, trimmed & destroyed an important card in the hobby. Everyone knows many 52 Topps have top borders that are slanted (that’s how the printer plate was made). So this person just trimmed the top to match the slanted border. Left side also looks short to me.

This card should have been left alone & still would have been a handsome card

[Beercan collector]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

100% agree. I honestly think over well 70% of high end pre-1970 cards are either trimmed or cleaned w/ who knows what chemicals. Back in the day, people soaked cards with all kinds of crap w/o knowing exactly the consequences. However, trimming is the #1 problem w/ vintage cuts.


So many older graded high end PSA cards are so obviously trimmed. If the owners of these took against PSA even if the max $ cap didn’t exist, their egos would be hurt w/ the reduced PSA set registry rankings.


E.g. I think the following card was trimmed. Might be wrong but don’t think I am.
Take this extremely high grade 1952 Topps Ed Mathews. Can’t believe this card passed grading even decades ago. Talk about a bad hair cut. Whoever this moron is, trimmed & destroyed an important card in the hobby. Everyone knows many 52 Topps have top borders that are slanted (that’s how the printer plate was made). So this person just trimmed the top to match the slanted border. Left side also looks short to me.

This card should have been left alone & still would have been a handsome card

It’s been deactivated from PSA certification

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, it's a $250k cap per card, but there's also a lifetime cap of $500k per individual. So you don't get many chances to cash in when something goes wrong if you're a high end collector. Some of these guys like Marshall Fogel, Ken Kendrick, and Brady Hill have millions of dollars worth of trimmed cards in their collections and they don't even know it. It's a significant risk to carry. Fogel's 52 Mantle is sheet cut.

If the max is $500K per collector and these guys have millions of dollars of trimmed cards, they are not sending any back to PSA.

At some point in time in the future, they will be sold in a major auction to someone else who believes they are legitimate so they are not going anywhere.

I cannot imagine anyone high on the registry on a particular set suddenly saying, "Oh, most of my high grade cards are trimmed according to a guy on Net54 so let me get them all into authentic holders and get $500K of my millions of dollars back."

You may well be correct about the authenticity of most high grade cards but the population of them is not going down significantly in our lifetime. One occasionally, maybe, but not thousands of them.

The major auction houses will not be rejecting high graded cards nor will they be advising the buyers that cards may be trimmed although in holders. At least not IMO.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rand1com

If the max is $500K per collector and these guys have millions of dollars of trimmed cards, they are not sending any back to PSA.

At some point in time in the future, they will be sold in a major auction to someone else who believes they are legitimate so they are not going anywhere.

I cannot imagine anyone high on the registry on a particular set suddenly saying, "Oh, most of my high grade cards are trimmed according to a guy on Net54 so let me get them all into authentic holders and get $500K of my millions of dollars back."

You may well be correct about the authenticity of most high grade cards but the population of them is not going down significantly in our lifetime. One occasionally, maybe, but not thousands of them.

The major auction houses will not be rejecting high graded cards nor will they be advising the buyers that cards may be trimmed although in holders. At least not IMO.

In this day and age, the flip, not the card, is what matters. PSA will be just fine, thank you, and it now has no competition. You can put the most obviously hacked up card up for auction and it will set records. Hell, people post cards here that are obviously not right, but the vast majority just ooh and aah.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by rand1com

If the max is $500K per collector and these guys have millions of dollars of trimmed cards, they are not sending any back to PSA.

At some point in time in the future, they will be sold in a major auction to someone else who believes they are legitimate so they are not going anywhere.

I cannot imagine anyone high on the registry on a particular set suddenly saying, "Oh, most of my high grade cards are trimmed according to a guy on Net54 so let me get them all into authentic holders and get $500K of my millions of dollars back."

You may well be correct about the authenticity of most high grade cards but the population of them is not going down significantly in our lifetime. One occasionally, maybe, but not thousands of them.

The major auction houses will not be rejecting high graded cards nor will they be advising the buyers that cards may be trimmed although in holders. At least not IMO.

No, of course they're not going to do that. Not for the million dollar cards. But they are carrying a significant risk just by owning them. If the slabs ever get damaged or cracked somehow, PSA isn't going to honor those grades.

Also, when some of these cards get sold and the new buyers learn that they just purchased a trimmed card, some do send them in for review. At least for cards worth $250k or less where they're "protected". That's what happened with the 52 Jackie PSA 8 from earlier in this thread.

Something else worth pointing out is that the more PSA chooses to shine a light on this aspect of the hobby, the more people will be motivated to send their cards in for review so they can cash in on the insurance policy.

I don't know how many years it will take, but in the long run, I think PSA abandons their guarantee.