First-ever SGC 10 Wilt Chamberlain Rookie Graded

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It makes no sense to me. If SGC put the parties together, and there was already the card shop guy involved too, why do you need someone else taking a fee? Assuming the buyer is who I think, he's very sophisticated and could certainly buy a card on his own.

Maybe Ken paid 100K to the seller to have his name associated with the transaction so the buyer from FL only had to put up 1.6?

The card shop dude has gotten his 15 mins of fame and then some. Was his role anything more than submitting the card to SGC? Sorry if it was mentioned but in the article he was the leading role and I was not understanding why he got top billing, other than the owner not wanting his name out there.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Maybe Ken paid 100K to the seller to have his name associated with the transaction so the buyer from FL only had to put up 1.6?

The card shop dude has gotten his 15 mins of fame and then some. Was his role anything more than submitting the card to SGC? Sorry if it was mentioned but in the article he was the leading role and I was not understanding why he got top billing, other than the owner not wanting his name out there.

I dunno. I guess at these elite levels stuff goes on that the common man has no access to. Anyhow, a great deal I think for the original owner.

[Rocketcards]

If anyone is interested found this on another site. Looks like the new one blows this one away.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What's with that top edge.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's with that top edge.

While it looks trimmed, it's most likely a factory cut. This is just how Fleer cut these. Vast majority of 61 Fleer have similar slanted cuts believe it or not. And most do not measure 2.5 x 3.5. Particularly cards 1 through 6,which align on the right edge of the sheet and are ALWAYS (yes every single copy in existence) narrow.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

While it looks trimmed, it's most likely a factory cut. This is just how Fleer cut these. Vast majority of 61 Fleer have similar slanted cuts believe it or not. And most do not measure 2.5 x 3.5. Particularly cards 1 through 6,which align on the right edge of the sheet and are ALWAYS (yes every single copy in existence) narrow.

It's not size that bothers me. It's the "bat ear" in the upper right. While not every trimmed card exhibits the dreaded curved corner I've yet to see a factory cut card with one.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

It's not size that bothers me. It's the "bat ear" in the upper right. While not every trimmed card exhibits the dreaded curved corner I've yet to see a factory cut card with one.

That's what jumped out at me immediately.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

It's not size that bothers me. It's the "bat ear" in the upper right. While not every trimmed card exhibits the dreaded curved corner I've yet to see a factory cut card with one.

Yes, I know what you mean. But with this set in particular (and this is the only set I'm aware of where this is true), the bat-eared cuts like this are actually quite common. I've studied this set intensely. It took me years to build out the full set with all centered copies. I stared at pretty much every 1961 Fleer card that hit eBay or auction houses for many years. They're always the first thing I search, as it's my absolute favorite set in the hobby. And I've had multiple sets go through my hands. There are just way too many cards cut like this for it not to have been a factory issue. It's the most poorly cut set in the entire hobby, that I'm aware of. I think it would be nearly impossible to tell the difference between a factory-cut card and even one that was poorly trimmed, let alone "properly" trimmed (assuming the edge in question was on the top or the bottom) if looking at scans online.

Start looking closely at the cuts on some random commons and make mental notes. You'll see what I mean if you look into it.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's with that top edge.

You are not supposed to look below the label!

I am not liking the cut at all either and not sure I recall seeing a legit cut on any card that looks like that. It might not be trimmed but if not it certainly appears that would be a factory miscut.

[Beercan collector]

An intact BVG 6.5 on ebay $7850
Even if I had all the money in the world to throw away I would get this before I would get the psa 10 pictured above ,
That thing looks terrible

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

double post

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

6.5? Am I not seeing paper loss on that bottom right corner? Either that or a folded-up corner. I'm seeing scratches which appear to be on the card and not the slab, and is that a partial fingerprint over the W in Wilt? This card and EX/MT should be miles apart from each other in a conversation.

I like the card--just find the grade strange.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Rocketcards

If anyone is interested found this on another site. Looks like the new one blows this one away.

This copy would be rejected today as min size at PSA without question. And even if they were to grade it (they won't), it's a 7, maaaaybe 8 if you're lucky. Zero chance at a 9 though today. But again, this card is not passing grading today at PSA. I guarantee it. I would put my knowledge of 61 Fleer up against anyone in the hobby. I know this set, and how they are graded, like I know my own child.