Name the HOF pitcher who...

[Mark17]

Never won more than 20 in a season.
Never saved a single game.
Hit well under .200 lifetime.
Never managed or held a front-office position.

[jayshum]

Mike Mussina

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by jayshum

Mike Mussina

Nope, I remember quite clearly, Mussina won 20 games with the Yanks, and then promptly retired.

I think that had been hanging over his head for awhile and he was glad to go out with that as the topper to his career.

[D. Bergin]

Hmmm.......Don Sutton?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Nope, I remember quite clearly, Mussina won 20 games with the Yanks, and then promptly retired.

I think that had been hanging over his head for awhile and he was glad to go out with that as the topper to his career.

The question is never won MORE than 20.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The question is never won MORE than 20.

Oh Damn. Got me!

[BobbyStrawberry]

I'm thinking it's got to be someone more recent...Jack Morris?

[Peter_Spaeth]

It's Mussina, no?

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's Mussina, no?

That was my original guess, and I still think so.

[G1911]

Mussina definitely meets the criteria.

Jack Morris won over 20 games at least twice.

Jim Bunning never won over 20, was a bad hitter, and never held a front office or manager job (managed only in the minors). Don't know if he saved a game or not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Mussina definitely meets the criteria.

Jack Morris won over 20 games at least twice.

Jim Bunning never won over 20, was a bad hitter, and never held a front office or manager job (managed only in the minors). Don't know if he saved a game or not.

If he managed in the minors, one can't say he never managed, I wouldn't think.

Speaking of Bunning, I read a story which went something like a guy was explaining to him why physics proved there was no such thing as a rising fastball, and Bunning's response was, "Physics don't know shit about pitching."

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If he managed in the minors, one can't say he never managed, I wouldn't think.

The list sounded like major league criteria, not minor league benchmarks. I shall just leave this to everyone else.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I looked him up and lo and behold, 16 saves. 6 in a year when he had 35 starts. Men were men...

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If he managed in the minors, one can't say he never managed, I wouldn't think.

Speaking of Bunning, I read a story which went something like a guy was explaining to him why physics proved there was no such thing as a rising fastball, and Bunning's response was, "Physics don't know shit about pitching."

No wonder he ended up Congress.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by G1911

Mussina definitely meets the criteria.

Jack Morris won over 20 games at least twice.

Jim Bunning never won over 20, was a bad hitter, and never held a front office or manager job (managed only in the minors). Don't know if he saved a game or not.

Actually, I was thinking Blyleven. He and Mussina.