Altered? Who cares? 52T REA Mantle AUTH ALT

[parkplace33]

Odds on how fast that card is cracked out and resubmitted?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Odds on how fast that card is cracked out and resubmitted?

Trimmed, color added, and creases pressed out, and someone is going to grade it on resubmission??

[Johnny630]

This card has been smashed. I could see this ending up in another TPG's holder with a number grade very shortly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

This card has been smashed. I could see this ending up in another TPG's holder with a number grade very shortly.

And who do you think is corrupt enough to grade it?

[Lorewalker]

Wow that is an astonishing price to pay for that card. It is a mess and then some. There is absolutely no chance any of the big 4 TPG give it a number grade. Not even Kurt's Card Care can save this one...or can it?????

[butchie_t]

My take and it is somewhat different.

If it is for my PC and it is the last card I need to finish my 52T set, mind you, if I was ever to work on that set, none of the cards would ever be close to pristine by any means.

But, last card and a bargain????(relative term, bargain.). Well I'm gonna break it out of the slab anyway and put it in a binder with the set. I would keep the tag and store it with the card.

I'd be thinking somewhat long and hard about that from my POV.

Now investment and an eventual future sale. No, not from my perspective would I go that route.

Quite the conundrum for me and that is just me.


Butch

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

My take and it is somewhat different.

If it is for my PC and it is the last card I need to finish my 52T set, mind you, if I was ever to work on that set, none of the cards would ever be close to pristine by any means.

But, last card and a bargain????(relative term, bargain.). Well I'm gonna break it out of the slab anyway and put it in a binder with the set. I would keep the tag and store it with the card.

I'd be thinking somewhat long and hard about that from my POV.

Now investment and an eventual future sale. No, not from my perspective would I go that route.

Quite the conundrum for me and that is just me.


Butch

The answer there is easy. Just buy an "honest" card that's rough and comparable in price (or less) to this one. That can be done with ease.

I wouldn't wan't this gussied-up FrankenCard.

[jingram058]

Fools and money. Makes you wonder how they got it. More often than not, they inherited it.

[raulus]

I guess it's sort of that whole "restored" dynamic, similar to what we saw with that T206 Wagner.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And who do you think is corrupt enough to grade it?

Flip a coin it could be any.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Trimmed, color added, and creases pressed out, and someone is going to grade it on resubmission??

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And who do you think is corrupt enough to grade it?

Probably the same company as they have to have by far the most altered/counterfeit/reprints with number grades. Don't worry because their slabs get the most money. Also at least that Mantle is graded correctly unlike the majority of them. Most have had work done to them and got a number grade. More than one of the bigger card doctors have openly admitted they personally have worked on hundreds of 52 Topps Mantle cards.

[raulus]

It does seem like one of the major questions is whether all this doctoring increased the value of the card, or whether the card would have been worth more if it remained in its original state.

I suspect the whole crux of the matter is financial incentives. If I can take a card that might otherwise sell for $25k, and turn it into $50k with $1k in restoration, even if the restoration is disclosed, known, and understood, then it seems like you're looking at some pretty serious incentives for a large swath of cards to suddenly move into the restoration phase, and open wide the floodgates for some now-honest profiteering from the hobby's card doctors/restoration groups. (Since it's disclosed, it's honest, natch).

Of course, this pricing dynamic may be unique to cardboard where the supply dramatically overwhelms demand, such as with the T206 Wagner, or the 311 Mantle. Would the same economics apply to a heretofore beat up and newly restored 1966T common, or even a 1966T from a major HOFer? Probably not, simply because I can probably get a very nice one (ostensibly that hasn't gone under the knife) for less than the cost of the restoration.

[samosa4u]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And who do you think is corrupt enough to grade it?

Come on, Peter !! You've been in this hobby for decades and you know how it works! lol

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

This card has been smashed. I could see this ending up in another TPG's holder with a number grade very shortly.

Well, honestly I can tell from six feet away the recoloring done on the hat and the background above the bat and his hands. I just think if someone is in the price point of buying this cracked out then you should have an expert with knowledge examining it. Looking at this obviously pressed, trimmed, and recolored card I think the chicken littling about it getting in a numbered big three holder is winning the lottery chance unlikely. Or exactly the same as the painted restored Honus T206.