Another PSA mess up? major card - AA to 5

[dabbuu]

This card is up on Heritage right now

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...ageDesc-040218

No mention of the altering

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by dabbuu

This card is up on Heritage right now


No mention of the altering

If you expected otherwise, you are a wonderfully optimistic person.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by dabbuu

This card is up on Heritage right now

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...ageDesc-040218

No mention of the altering

Of course not. Sell sell sell baby!

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by dabbuu

This card is up on Heritage right now

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...ageDesc-040218

No mention of the altering

Wow! I can’t imagine Heritage won’t yank the card. What a joke.

[Johnny630]

I’m sure heritage will do the right thing and pull the card asap.

[The Detroit Collector]

It's at 42K now. I have my doubts this will get pulled.

[Yoda]

Surely somebody at Heritage tunes into Net 54 and has seen this post. I know Pete Calderon does. If Chris Ivy and team don't pull this item with an apology, I think Heritage is sitting on a time bomb.

[G1911]

We just recently collectively determined that hosting fraudulent auctions for cards an auction house run by a criminally convicted fraudster doesn't even have is not only fine but commendable. Even the PWCC fraud ring has had its circle of open defenders and numerous posters who continued to do business with them through it all. Nothing an auction house does is going to make people hold them accountable or suffer a serious backlash, because too many believe that anything that helps increase prices is good. Accountability, transparency, disclosure and honesty is bad for business and can sometimes get in the way of making money, and unless and until that's not priority #1 absolutely nothing will happen. Heritage won't suffer at all if they choose to just ignore this, leave the card up, and make their money off the scam from some rich sucker. Everyone will line right up for the next auction.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by G1911

We just recently collectively determined that hosting fraudulent auctions for cards an auction house run by a criminally convicted fraudster doesn't even have is not only fine but commendable. Even the PWCC fraud ring has had its circle of open defenders and numerous posters who continued to do business with them through it all. Nothing an auction house does is going to make people hold them accountable or suffer a serious backlash, because too many believe that anything that helps increase prices is good. Accountability, transparency, disclosure and honesty is bad for business and can sometimes get in the way of making money, and unless and until that's not priority #1 absolutely nothing will happen. Heritage won't suffer at all if they choose to just ignore this, leave the card up, and make their money off the scam from some rich sucker. Everyone will line right up for the next auction.

No, we never decided the auction was fraudulent. You did that on your own.

Agree though that HA is clean on this. PSA changes their grades all the time. I don't know why they should pull a card from auction just because PSA had second thoughts on thinking a card was altered.

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[Rhotchkiss]

No proof was shown that the card was altered. Indeed, BODA states there are no apparent alterations from the AA to the 5. The issue is with PSA and their terribly inconsistent grading. How can the self-proclaimed experts call the same card, of such significant value and caliber, both a 5 and AA (and apparently a 4)? This is a PSA issue.

I don’t see why Heritage should pull this. It sits in a PSA 5 flip and nobody has provided proof it’s altered. Perhaps they should disclose that it used to sit in an AA flip, but other than proper disclosure/description, I don’t see Heritage having any other obligation (including pulling it)

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

N How can the self-proclaimed experts call the same card, of such significant value and caliber, both a 5 and AA (and apparently a 4)?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

No proof was shown that the card was altered. Indeed, BODA states there are no apparent alterations from the AA to the 5. The issue is with PSA and their terribly inconsistent grading. How can the self-proclaimed experts call the same card, of such significant value and caliber, both a 5 and AA (and apparently a 4)? This is a PSA issue.

I don’t see why Heritage should pull this. It sits in a PSA 5 flip and nobody has provided proof it’s altered. Perhaps they should disclose that it used to sit in an AA flip, but other than proper disclosure/description, I don’t see Heritage having any other obligation (including pulling it)

I agree — but the disclosure needs to be made. And since the card is already bid up without the disclosure they’d need to check with the current bidders if they’re ok with continuing to bid on a card that PSA has graded A at one point (and a lower numeric grade another). Really bad look for PSA but it happens to all grading companies.