Safeguards at shows

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Vintagedeputy-

I know for a fact that, at Ohio State home football games in 2023, there was
a shortage of police for security (extra-duty not on-duty). Prospective officers
were offered $100 per hour, and spots went unfilled.

Again, I'm not saying it's a bad idea to have an increase in uniformed
LE at appropriate shows. I'm merely pointing to the cost, and the proclivity
of sellers on this board to grouse about- you guessed it-costs.

Trent King

I’m actually not surprised that even at $100 per hour, there was difficulty in finding officers. Officers these days have a wealth of opportunities - no pun intended - for off duty work as well as overtime. They generally look for really easy jobs with low chances of there being problems or having to make a arrest.

Having worked college football games before myself, I can imagine that many officers would try to stay away from those details because they can get rowdy and out of hand.

[G1911]

Be attentive and vigilant is really all that can be done.

Cops or more cops wandering around wouldn't have likely stopped either theft. They aren't forceful seizures followed by an obvious perp running away and needing to be chased by the law. The Strongsville theft in particular is not something any show could have reasonably done anything to prevent (short of the possessor having the basic common sense not to mail millions in cards to a Best Western...).

Being armed also would not stop either incident or any realistic card show theft either, and if a dealer did use a weapon that they would almost certainly go to jail for drawing on a non-violent thief in a public place. Carrying a firearm is for extreme threats, not a guy taking a case at a show in a room full of people in all directions.

Watching your stuff or having someone you trust watch your stuff and being aware of your surroundings is about all one can do when in a public place with expensive things.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by G1911

Being armed also would not stop either incident or any realistic card show theft either, and if a dealer did use a weapon that they would almost certainly go to jail for drawing on a non-violent thief in a public place. Carrying a firearm is for extreme threats, not a guy taking a case at a show in a room full of people in all directions.
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That would be a given. If you are responding to my comment, it was directed to Scott’s post above of being followed to motels or home in his worst example.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by G1911

Be attentive and vigilant is really all that can be done.

Cops or more cops wandering around wouldn't have likely stopped either theft. They aren't forceful seizures followed by an obvious perp running away and needing to be chased by the law. The Strongsville theft in particular is not something any show could have reasonably done anything to prevent (short of the possessor having the basic common sense not to mail millions in cards to a Best Western...).

Being armed also would not stop either incident or any realistic card show theft either, and if a dealer did use a weapon that they would almost certainly go to jail for drawing on a non-violent thief in a public place. Carrying a firearm is for extreme threats, not a guy taking a case at a show in a room full of people in all directions.

Watching your stuff or having someone you trust watch your stuff and being aware of your surroundings is about all one can do when in a public place with expensive things.

Having visible security around at the end of the Dallas show may have helped prevent the theft since more eyes watching may have made the thieves less likely to try anything.

[ajenks3378]

I own a small business in the western suburbs of Cleveland…and in our community to hire auxiliary police officers it costs $125 an hour.
So I am sure The National is spending some good money on security.
Andy

[Johnny630]

My number one proposal for extra security measures would be for all attendees of these major shows to produce an official government photo ID, driver's license/passport, and or VA card. Doing this would be an added cost-effective security measure that would be able to identify everyone who has made entry into the show. I would also utilize a timestamp.

[notfast]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

My number one proposal for extra security measures would be for all attendees of these major shows to produce an official government photo ID, driver's license/passport, and or VA card. Doing this would be an added cost-effective security measure that would be able to identify everyone who has made entry into the show. I would also utilize a timestamp.

No thanks.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

My number one proposal for extra security measures would be for all attendees of these major shows to produce an official government photo ID, driver's license/passport, and or VA card. Doing this would be an added cost-effective security measure that would be able to identify everyone who has made entry into the show. I would also utilize a timestamp.

When you say produce an ID, do you also mean that the show would keep a record of everyone who was there? If so, I can imagine that would discourage a lot of people who want to protect their privacy from attending.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by jayshum

When you say produce an ID, do you also mean that the show would keep a record of everyone who was there? If so, I can imagine that would discourage a lot of people who want to protect their privacy from attending.

Yes, I do. That’s up to them if they wanna attend or not I think it’s a good idea for the big shows. That’s just me. I feel like it’s worth it. Everyone knows your identity on here or if you bid an auction or purchase from someone online, I don’t see what the differences really. Ultimately, it’s up to them. When you get a pass to enter the show, you also have your name on the pass typed out in bold. Doesn’t seem to stop the attendance at that show one bit.

At the Long Beach coin and expo show you have to produce ID. Also, all of the dealers and their employees wear a pictured photograph ID. I think it’s a great idea.