O/T The concept of a non-sports "rookie card"

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Isn't that funny. That's the Genre they tried to box him in at the beginning.

I had never heard that. There's nothing more "American Rock & Roll" than Tom Petty. That's his category.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

I had never heard that. There's nothing more "American Rock & Roll" than Tom Petty. That's his category.

https://www.thepettyarchives.com/arc...02-newwaverock

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Thanks for that. Interesting.

If he had just debuted a few years earlier, he wouldn't have had to put up with their need to pigeonhole him. He would have been right alongside Springsteen, obviously not as another "second coming of Dylan", but just in the unabashedly American R&R vibe of their compositions. Two different sounds, but the spirit is the same and both are quintessential R&R. That's it. Just plain ol' rock & roll. If more proof was ever needed by the industry that he was just a rock & roller, all they had to do was wait a couple of years to see how, of all the younger generation of musicians of the era, Petty seemed to be so quickly and warmly embraced by the old guard. Not normally so easy an accomplishment. The old guys dug him, on both sides of the pond.

(I write this not even from the vantage point of being a Petty fan.)

In that late 1970's era, I suppose an artist just wasn't allowed to be "rock & roll". Everybody had to have a label/category attached to them.

[obcbeatle]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Thanks for that. Interesting.

If he had just debuted a few years earlier, he wouldn't have had to put up with their need to pigeonhole him. He would have been right alongside Springsteen, obviously not as another "second coming of Dylan", but just in the unabashedly American R&R vibe of their compositions. Two different sounds, but the spirit is the same and both are quintessential R&R. That's it. Just plain ol' rock & roll. If more proof was ever needed by the industry that he was just a rock & roller, all they had to do was wait a couple of years to see how, of all the younger generation of musicians of the era, Petty seemed to be so quickly and warmly embraced by the old guard. Not normally so easy an accomplishment. The old guys dug him, on both sides of the pond.

(I write this not even from the vantage point of being a Petty fan.)

In that late 1970's era, I suppose an artist just wasn't allowed to be "rock & roll". Everybody had to have a label/category attached to them.

As a retired performing musician/guitarist...amongst other musicians, 1st and foremost, Tom Petty was a great song writer. There are truly very few song writers on the planet (ever) that can/could write great songs by themselves. The great songs are usually collaborative efforts. Most musicians are very jealous of the great song writers But they still love the music! I suppose though when it comes to music, beauty is in the ear of the beholder. So I digress I love this thread, great cards!!

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by obcbeatle

As a retired performing musician/guitarist...amongst other musicians, 1st and foremost, Tom Petty was a great song writer. There are truly very few song writers on the planet (ever) that can/could write great songs by themselves. The great songs are usually collaborative efforts. Most musicians are very jealous of the great song writers But they still love the music! I suppose though when it comes to music, beauty is in the ear of the beholder. So I digress I love this thread, great cards!!

Me too. I love the cards on this thread And I especially love the articulate retrospects from the Net54ers. Much better than the "Stolen" threads.

[Shankweather]

I collect fictional character rookie cards and I love it. We should definitely call them rookie cards, because the term has taken a life of its own independent of being a rookie in a sport. Sometimes it's difficult figuring out what card is really the rookie card. Is it enough that they appear on the card, or do they need to be the main subject of the card?

What is Godzilla's rookie card? Is it one of these from the 1965 Donruss King Kong set?



Is it this 1994 Trendmasters that came in an action figure package?



1995 Amada Godzilla was the first pack-pulled set dedicated to Goji. Is card #1 the rookie card?



Or is it #34 because it's the first one that says "Godzilla" on the front?



Is there room for XRCs in non-sports cards? If PSA won't grade it can it count as a rookie card? These are the questions that keep me up at night.

[D. Bergin]

LOL, big fan of the "What type of skin cream do you use?" card.