Poll - Greatest Living Player

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

I get your frustration but it sounds like you are saying it's too hard to figure things out, so let's just ignore it all? Or maybe, let's pretend it's all the same?



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I'm not sure. But a lot of injustice arises when you apply the laws unequally. Do we really think Papi didn't use, for example?

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I'm not sure. But a lot of injustice arises when you apply the laws unequally. Do we really think Papi didn't use, for example?

That's why we leave things to sportswriters, since they are the most logical and consistent thinkers.

By the way, I think Ortiz likely abused steroids, as I said earlier. But it's ok that Papi and Pudge slipped in. Some people get in that don't really deserve to, that's the Hall. On the other hand, it's an abomination that Selig was voted in.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

That's why we leave things to sportswriters, since they are the most logical and consistent thinkers.

By the way, I think Ortiz likely abused steroids, as I said earlier. But it's ok that Papi and Pudge slipped in. Some people get in that don't really deserve to, that's the Hall. On the other hand, it's an abomination that Selig was voted in.

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But it's worse than not deserving. Bonds will spend the rest of his life hated and ostracized by baseball, and he won't get in. Ortiz probably did the same shit he did, and maybe even benefited from it more (early Papi was not exactly on a path to greatness), and he will spend the rest of his life idolized and beloved, and of course he's in. Makes part of me want to say eff it, let's just let em all in and move on.

[G1911]

There is more evidence that David Ortiz used steroids than there is that Roger Clemens used steroids.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

There is more evidence that David Ortiz used steroids than there is that Roger Clemens used steroids.

Yes but Clemens was a jerk who left town and maybe even mailed it in a bit before he did, while Ortiz was beloved. A tale of two Red Sox.

[samosa4u]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwj6Pc2FfCQ

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yes but Clemens was a jerk who left town and maybe even mailed it in a bit before he did, while Ortiz was beloved. A tale of two Red Sox.

Oops, silly me, trying to use facts and a consistent standard again.

[SyrNy1960]

If you were cheating on your wife, and she accused you of cheating on her without any evidence, would you admit it? No! If you stole money from your employer, and they accused you of stealing without any evidence, would you admit it? No! Without any proof or solid evidence, most will deny it. It's human nature. Heck, some will still deny it when presented with solid evidence.

Most will agree that OJ did it. Why is that? No proof or solid evidence. Is it because he wasn't liked? No. Most were able to use common sense to put together, based on what information was or was not provided, to conclude that he was (most likely) guilty. There are many people found guilty, without a smoking gun.

Like everyone else in this forum, I wish the steroid era never happened. I often think about what numbers Arod, Bonds, McGwire, Sosa, Palmeiro, Ramirez, and many others would have ended up with, without steroids. Again, we will never know, but only God Knows

The only player in the HOF from the steroid era that bothers me the most is Pudge Rodriguez.

1. Jose Canseco wrote in his book that he personally injected Pudge with steroids.

2. Jose Canseco and Pudge Rodriguez played for the Texas Rangers from 1992-1994.

3. When asked if he was on the list of 103, Rodriguez responded “Only God knows."

4. He played for the Texas Rangers in the 1990s.

5. His physique varied fairly radically over the years, with it being beefier pre-testing and noticeably smaller once testing was implemented.

The Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1988 criminalized the use and distribution of anabolic steroids. Steroids finally made it to baseball's banned substance list in 1991, however testing for major league players did not begin until the 2003 season.

https://metsdaddy.com/2016/12/why-i-...van-rodriguez/

Just one mans opinion.