Greatest Living Player...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Bonds and Clemens and ARod, but nobody wants to go there I am sure.

Otherwise, Henderson and Schmidt? Maddux?

I would say Roger Clemens with Barry Bonds second.

[ClementeFanOh]

PeterSpaeth- Good call on Mike Schmidt. Bad calls otherwise.

BK 400- you are spot on.

Exhibitman- I am shocked by your comment, you are normally a very sound
and lucid thinker. The numbers for Bonds are, in fact, a lie. That's the
problem, he's persona non grata. The fault for that lies with Barry Bonds.

G1911- Once again, a swing and a miss. I'd recommend some HGH and
the clear and the cream, to improve your approach here. Popularity isn't
the measure, Bench and Koufax somehow fly under the radar despite their
greatness. Just as Hulk Hogan actually wasn't the "world's greatest
wrestler", sideshow Barry can't be the world's greatest living player. I am
sure you'll blow a gasket by citing "appeals to authority" and all sorts of
tortuous reasoning, but it won't change the reality that the clown you
champion is a pariah by his own hand. Aroid too, to save you the trouble.
This reply is plenty long so, to cap it off, Frankenstein monsters don't
make the cut- and it's remarkable I even have to say it.

Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

PeterSpaeth- Good call on Mike Schmidt. Bad calls otherwise.

BK 400- you are spot on.

Exhibitman- I am shocked by your comment, you are normally a very sound
and lucid thinker. The numbers for Bonds are, in fact, a lie. That's the
problem, he's persona non grata. The fault for that lies with Barry Bonds.

G1911- Once again, a swing and a miss. I'd recommend some HGH and
the clear and the cream, to improve your approach here. Popularity isn't
the measure, Bench and Koufax somehow fly under the radar despite their
greatness. Just as Hulk Hogan actually wasn't the "world's greatest
wrestler", sideshow Barry can't be the world's greatest living player. I am
sure you'll blow a gasket by citing "appeals to authority" and all sorts of
tortuous reasoning, but it won't change the reality that the clown you
champion is a pariah by his own hand. Aroid too, to save you the trouble.
This reply is plenty long so, to cap it off, Frankenstein monsters don't
make the cut- and it's remarkable I even have to say it.

Trent King

Your personal attacks are off topic. Please stay on topic

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Your personal attacks are off topic. Please stay on topic

It is off topic but funny to read. Just wait for his picks and how the PEDs they took don't count because amphetamines are just like drinking a few cups of coffee. Also all the PEDs done before and after the steroid era do not count. It is just the steroid era PED guys that are bad and need to be punished.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Trent, how is Maddux a bad call? His numbers blow away Ryan and certainly Koufax from a career perspective.

I understand your perspective on steroids.

[ClementeFanOh]

BNorth- you don’t have to wait for my picks, I listed some of them already. The list is consistent with what many others have written. Read the posts…. G1911- Nah, wrong. You complaining about being off topic is 1) wrong and 2) as valid as Bonds complaining that someone cheated against him. This isn’t rocket science, partner. Immediately default to contrarian mode is silly and, in Bonds’ case for “greatest” living player, patently absurd. His “greatness” came from a test tube. Shame, he was a wonderful player without all the deliberate, pervasive, relentless doping. End of story- you do you from here, ok? Trent King

[ClementeFanOh]

PeterSpaeth- I thought you went down the Bonds, Clemens, Aroid road. Bad calls. I’m lukewarm on GM, personally. Don’t hate the idea but feel many others trump him. Trent King

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

BNorth- you don’t have to wait for my picks, I listed some of them already. The list is consistent with what many others have written. Read the posts…. G1911- Nah, wrong. You complaining about being off topic is 1) wrong and 2) as valid as Bonds complaining that someone cheated against him. This isn’t rocket science, partner. Immediately default to contrarian mode is silly and, in Bonds’ case for “greatest” living player, patently absurd. His “greatness” came from a test tube. Shame, he was a wonderful player without all the deliberate, pervasive, relentless doping. End of story- you do you from here, ok? Trent King

With you being very obviously anti PED I assumed your picks was in jest as it is far from PED free.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

BNorth- you don’t have to wait for my picks, I listed some of them already. The list is consistent with what many others have written. Read the posts…. G1911- Nah, wrong. You complaining about being off topic is 1) wrong and 2) as valid as Bonds complaining that someone cheated against him. This isn’t rocket science, partner. Immediately default to contrarian mode is silly and, in Bonds’ case for “greatest” living player, patently absurd. His “greatness” came from a test tube. Shame, he was a wonderful player without all the deliberate, pervasive, relentless doping. End of story- you do you from here, ok? Trent King

Picking Bonds is not contrarian. It is the mathematically obvious choice, and he appears to have more votes so far than anyone else in this thread. It is possible to just make your case in a reasonable way without leaping to the over the top angry posts.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Amphetamines "have been around the game forever," the Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt writes in his new book, "Clearing the Bases," which HarperCollins will publish next month. "In my day," he says, they "were widely available in major-league clubhouses."

His [Selig's] predecessors knew about them, too, but they didn't want to do anything about them, either. At a drug trial in Pittsburgh in 1985, Dale Berra and Dave Parker testified that Willie Stargell and Bill Madlock dispensed greenies to their Pirates teammates. John Milner told the jury that Willie Mays had a bottle of red juice, or liquid amphetamines, in his locker when they played for the Mets.

In the book -- in which Schmidt also discusses Barry Bonds, the legacies of Mark McGwire and Sammy Sosa, and Pete Rose -- Schmidt writes that the elimination of amphetamines could have "possibly far greater implications for the game than the crackdown against steroids."