Harrison Butker graduation speech

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do you seriously believe gays do not continue to face massive discrimination and demonization? Look no further than the writings of the Speaker of the House. Battle still very much in progress, I am afraid. We as a society are a very long way from nobody cares.

And even if you think Pride Month is unnecessary, Butker called it SINFUL. The very demonization you think doesn't still exist. It does.

I'm not sure what you're seeing but society had embraced gay men with open arms, yes there are still people with prejudice but your sexuality is a protected class, which many people fought for to get there.
Having a devout Catholic saying something is sinful pales in comparison to people demanding the death of Jews.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I'm not sure what you're seeing but society had embraced gay men with open arms, yes there are still people with prejudice but your sexuality is a protected class, which many people fought for to get there.
Having a devout Catholic saying something is sinful pales in comparison to people demanding the death of Jews.

Nobody is defending pro-Hamas protesters, least of all this person who happens to be Jewish. It has nothing to do with the topic.

And sure, there have been legal gains in terms of statutes and case law. But that's like saying the fact that Black people have achieved legal gains means there is no discrimination. Small piece of the puzzle, IMHO.

I mean seriously how would you feel if you were a gay person and read this about the Speaker of the House, perhaps the second most powerful person in the country:

In comments from over fifteen years ago, long before he became a lawmaker and while acting as an attorney and spokesman for the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), a Christian advocacy group, Johnson described homosexuals as "sinful" and "destructive" and argued support for homosexuality could lead to support for pedophilia. He also authored op-eds that argued for criminalizing gay sex.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody is defending pro-Hamas protesters, least of all this person who happens to be Jewish. It has nothing to do with the topic.

And sure, there have been legal gains. But that's like saying the fact that Black people have achieved legal gains means there is no discrimination. Small piece of the puzzle, IMHO.

It has everything to do with the topic, this is America, we have strived for equality for gender, race, and religion. More than any other country and we've done a fantastic job. You know how to make racism and sexism go away? Ignore it and unite with the majority of America that has American values.
If you think you need to root out every last racist and sexist you are wasting your time because you would also have to toot out Black racists, Muslim racists, etc. why isn't the gay community protesting en masse for Muslim nations condoning the death of any gay man?
Instead we see protestors embracing gays for Palestine, how clueless is that position.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

It has everything to do with the topic, this is America, we have strived for equality for gender, race, and religion. More than any other country and we've done a fantastic job. You know how to make racism and sexism go away? Ignore it and unite with the majority of America that has American values.
If you think you need to root out every last racist and sexist you are wasting your time because you would also have to toot out Black racists, Muslim racists, etc. why isn't the gay community protesting en masse for Muslim nations condoning the death of any gay man?
Instead we see protestors embracing gays for Palestine, how clueless is that position.

Perhaps because it's late, but I am having a hard time following your logic. I was reacting to Butker's sexist and homophobic remarks, not looking to invoke a wide ranging discussion of all the hot button issues in the country. I also think your idealism does not really describe the mindset of huge swaths of people in this country who are not at all about embracing equality.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps because it's late, but I am having a hard time following your logic. I was reacting to Butker's sexist and homophobic remarks, not looking to invoke a wide ranging discussion of all the hot button issues in the country. I also think your idealism does not really describe the mindset of huge swaths of people in this country who are not at all about embracing equality.

Your reply is a perfect example, you're more worried about a religious conservatives comments, who is no threat to society, women, or gay people and would probably make a pretty good neighbor irrespective of his values.
But you completely ignore the true threat to the Gay community from the Muslim community. You also completely decided to pass on the current sexism that is going on with title 9 and the transgendered community.
I'm good with all that man but don't try to vilify me, I'm the most accepting human but I'll call bullshit when I see it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Your reply is a perfect example, you're more worried about a religious conservatives comments, who is no threat to society, women, or gay people and would probably make a pretty good neighbor irrespective of his values.
But you completely ignore the true threat to the Gay community from the Muslim community. You also completely decided to pass on the current sexism that is going on with title 9 and the transgendered community.
I'm good with all that man but don't try to vilify me, I'm the most accepting human but I'll call bullshit when I see it.

Not vilifying you at all, just stating I am not sure your idealistic view of America and it's embrace of equality is accurate. Not talking about you PERSONALLY once you clarified you were not agreeing with Butker. I am not up for getting into those other issues at the moment, maybe later.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not vilifying you at all, just stating I am not sure your idealistic view of America and it's embrace of equality is accurate. Not talking about you PERSONALLY once you clarified you were not agreeing with Butker. I am not up for getting into those other issues at the moment, maybe later.

Data reflects that what Harrison Butker is saying, that if you are fortunate enough to be able to have one parent out making a living and the other parent raising their children is the best possible way to raise children. Which I agree with. That's actually the middle class dream for many people
I don't understand how that's controversial. Take his advise or don't take his advise.