Harrison Butker graduation speech

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Perhaps because it's late, but I am having a hard time following your logic. I was reacting to Butker's sexist and homophobic remarks, not looking to invoke a wide ranging discussion of all the hot button issues in the country. I also think your idealism does not really describe the mindset of huge swaths of people in this country who are not at all about embracing equality.

Your reply is a perfect example, you're more worried about a religious conservatives comments, who is no threat to society, women, or gay people and would probably make a pretty good neighbor irrespective of his values.
But you completely ignore the true threat to the Gay community from the Muslim community. You also completely decided to pass on the current sexism that is going on with title 9 and the transgendered community.
I'm good with all that man but don't try to vilify me, I'm the most accepting human but I'll call bullshit when I see it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Your reply is a perfect example, you're more worried about a religious conservatives comments, who is no threat to society, women, or gay people and would probably make a pretty good neighbor irrespective of his values.
But you completely ignore the true threat to the Gay community from the Muslim community. You also completely decided to pass on the current sexism that is going on with title 9 and the transgendered community.
I'm good with all that man but don't try to vilify me, I'm the most accepting human but I'll call bullshit when I see it.

Not vilifying you at all, just stating I am not sure your idealistic view of America and it's embrace of equality is accurate. Not talking about you PERSONALLY once you clarified you were not agreeing with Butker. I am not up for getting into those other issues at the moment, maybe later.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Not vilifying you at all, just stating I am not sure your idealistic view of America and it's embrace of equality is accurate. Not talking about you PERSONALLY once you clarified you were not agreeing with Butker. I am not up for getting into those other issues at the moment, maybe later.

Data reflects that what Harrison Butker is saying, that if you are fortunate enough to be able to have one parent out making a living and the other parent raising their children is the best possible way to raise children. Which I agree with. That's actually the middle class dream for many people
I don't understand how that's controversial. Take his advise or don't take his advise.

[CamaroDMD]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Data reflects that what Harrison Butker is saying, that if you are fortunate enough to be able to have one parent out making a living and the other parent raising their children is the best possible way to raise children.

What data and from what source. If I learned anything from my many years as a researcher is that the vast majority of American's can't tell good data from bad.

I suspect what you are saying is actually an opinion supported by no data. If you have actual data please post it...because I highly doubt you do.

I can tell you that both myself and my wife work and our children are doing great. They are well rounded kids who have seem more of the world than most adults and the oldest isn't even 10.

[packs]

I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest that was his point. He wasn't making any points about stay at home parenting or the benefits of it. He was suggesting there is only one parent who should be staying home to raise their children, and the basis for that point of view is gender, not benefits for the child.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by packs

I think it's a little disingenuous to suggest that was his point. He wasn't making any points about stay at home parenting or the benefits of it. He was suggesting there is only one parent who should be staying home to raise their children, and the basis for that point of view is gender, not benefits for the child.

I find it ironic that the social justice warriors, feminists and cancel culture are going after this guy with guns blazing for stating what he and his wife believe is the best way to live their life for themselves and their children. He's a conservative Christian man, speaking at a private university, this shouldn't surprise anyone but folks are getting their knickers in a twist and wanting to crucify him and ruin his family. Well done feminists, he's the least of you worries.

Where were the Feminists when when pro Hamas supporters were calling for the killing of Jews? Newsflash, if Hamas ran things around here no woman would have the right to work, they wouldn't have a choice. Rape would also be legal.

Why are the Feminists sitting by and allowing men to invade women's sports and spaces. They are strangely silent while Title 9 gets dismantled, a move that will have devastating results for our young women, but nobody seems to care about that even though we fought hard for that 50 years ago.
So they can all save their outage over a guy and his wife leading a conservative Christian lifestyle imho. And until they are interested in addressing true challenges to today's women they are just part of the problem.

[packs]

I don't think this event is the flashpoint for all these other issues you're bringing up. People are upset with him for his choice of venue as much as they're upset with what he said.

On a very practical level, he's saying that motherhood and homemaking are a woman's highest callings, but he's saying these things in front of a large population of nuns who made very different decisions about their callings.