Harrison Butker graduation speech

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

Lol. Alienate 20 million Swifties but gain Shoeless Moe.

It's a wash!

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Good! Get rid of the Swifties and let's get back to football.

[Shoeless Moe]

I also liked Jerry's speech ripping Harvard a new one...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsmL1AImWLo&t=48s

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Good! Get rid of the Swifties and let's get back to football.

Swifties probably buy a lot of merchadise, maybe as much as or more than those "normal people with normal values" who think women belong in the home and think Pride Month is sinful.

[ALR-bishop]

Maybe all he wanted to do is make his jersey a best seller

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Swifties probably buy a lot of merchadise, maybe as much as or more than those "normal people with normal values" who think women belong in the home and think Pride Month is sinful.

Take it easy Tiger,

I was raised a classic liberal where your skin color doesnt matter, nor what you did in the privacy of your own bedroom didn't matter, unless you were hurting kids. What mattered was your character.
Your progressive left would call me right wing for having classic liberal values nowadays.

Normal? It's millions of folks in the middle who are just trying to get by, young people who are just trying to make their way in a pretty disappointing society. It doesn't matter what the sexual orientation of their partner is. We've built a society that makes them choose between the commitment of having a child or paying their rent.
Normal is giving back to society and not taking imho, it's having a bit of humility and being grateful for being American, honoring the young people of the past who died for your freedoms. It's also not replacing a POW/MIA flag with a rainbow flag at governmental institutions imho.
Normal is to take a deep breath and realize you are not the most important person in the world. Normal is not taking advantage of people.
Is a gay month necessary? Not in my opinion, we fought for gay rights when there was actually something to fight for and we won. What exactly is the purpose of celebrating being gay for a month? Honest question because we haven't cared what your sexual preference is for 50 years.
I also agree with Morgan Freeman when it comes to a black month.

We also fought for Title 9 50 years ago to make sure women were a protected class in sports. Now? The current administration, college campuses, and the LGBTQ+ community is trying to dismantle it and allow men to compete with women. Is that right in your opinion? Don't our daughters deserve better?
So yes, it's refreshing to see a man stand up for his values even though I may not agree with everything he says. After watching the pro Hamas terrorist shitshow, his comments were a breath of fresh air.

Just sayin'

[Peter_Spaeth]

Do you seriously believe gays do not continue to face massive discrimination and demonization? Look no further than the writings of the Speaker of the House.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/new-...y?id=104312903

Battle still very much in progress, I am afraid. We as a society are a very long way from nobody cares.

And even if you think Pride Month is unnecessary, Butker called it SINFUL. The very demonization you think doesn't still exist. It does.

I don't see what any of this has to do with Hamas or transgenders in sports. And sorry, I don't find the rantings of a sexist homophobe refreshing. We can disagree on that.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do you seriously believe gays do not continue to face massive discrimination and demonization? Look no further than the writings of the Speaker of the House. Battle still very much in progress, I am afraid. We as a society are a very long way from nobody cares.

And even if you think Pride Month is unnecessary, Butker called it SINFUL. The very demonization you think doesn't still exist. It does.

I'm not sure what you're seeing but society had embraced gay men with open arms, yes there are still people with prejudice but your sexuality is a protected class, which many people fought for to get there.
Having a devout Catholic saying something is sinful pales in comparison to people demanding the death of Jews.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

I'm not sure what you're seeing but society had embraced gay men with open arms, yes there are still people with prejudice but your sexuality is a protected class, which many people fought for to get there.
Having a devout Catholic saying something is sinful pales in comparison to people demanding the death of Jews.

Nobody is defending pro-Hamas protesters, least of all this person who happens to be Jewish. It has nothing to do with the topic.

And sure, there have been legal gains in terms of statutes and case law. But that's like saying the fact that Black people have achieved legal gains means there is no discrimination. Small piece of the puzzle, IMHO.

I mean seriously how would you feel if you were a gay person and read this about the Speaker of the House, perhaps the second most powerful person in the country:

In comments from over fifteen years ago, long before he became a lawmaker and while acting as an attorney and spokesman for the Alliance Defense Fund (ADF), a Christian advocacy group, Johnson described homosexuals as "sinful" and "destructive" and argued support for homosexuality could lead to support for pedophilia. He also authored op-eds that argued for criminalizing gay sex.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody is defending pro-Hamas protesters, least of all this person who happens to be Jewish. It has nothing to do with the topic.

And sure, there have been legal gains. But that's like saying the fact that Black people have achieved legal gains means there is no discrimination. Small piece of the puzzle, IMHO.

It has everything to do with the topic, this is America, we have strived for equality for gender, race, and religion. More than any other country and we've done a fantastic job. You know how to make racism and sexism go away? Ignore it and unite with the majority of America that has American values.
If you think you need to root out every last racist and sexist you are wasting your time because you would also have to toot out Black racists, Muslim racists, etc. why isn't the gay community protesting en masse for Muslim nations condoning the death of any gay man?
Instead we see protestors embracing gays for Palestine, how clueless is that position.