Would you buy a 1933 Goudey Ruth Raw?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

So as of now, its 52 percent yes, 28 percent no, and 18 percent maybe.

When I posed this topic to my circle of 10 friends, it was 80 percent No and 20 percent yes. The yeses mostly gave answers like above.

The Nos said three things:

1. Concern over why a dealer would sell a 5k plus card raw.
2. No reason to buy. There are plenty of graded ones out there already.
3. Basically, not worth the risk.

FYI, I am in the Yes camp. I would have qualms purchasing the card in this scenario.

IMO people here are either overrating their own abilities or underestimating card doctors or both. There are countless altered cards now in slabs, and it's not just incompetence or corruption.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

IMO people here are either overrating their own abilities or underestimating card doctors or both. There are countless altered cards now in slabs, and it's not just incompetence or corruption.

Peter, concur. But do you feel about the grading companies' ability to distinguish between a real and a fake 1933 Goudey Ruth?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Peter, concur. But do you feel about the grading companies' ability to distinguish between a real and a fake 1933 Goudey Ruth?

Assuming their best graders are involved and they're acting in good faith? I think they'd do pretty well but some of the elite card doctors might be able to fool them sometimes. I assume you mean altered, not fake as in counterfeit.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Assuming their best graders are involved and they're acting in good faith? I think they'd do pretty well but some of the elite card doctors might be able to fool them sometimes. I assume you mean altered, not fake as in counterfeit.

No, the latter, fake as in counterfeit.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

No, the latter, fake as in counterfeit.

I have to assume they could spot a fake, unless technology is already that good that they can't, in which case this hobby is doomed.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have to assume they could spot a fake, unless technology is already that good that they can't, in which case this hobby is doomed.

May I ask what technology? Why wouldn't the same exact easily available technology that made them to begin with be used again? Why would there need to be different technology?

[packs]

Probably because that technology no longer exists or would be too cumbersome to reproduce that it's not viable.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

May I ask what technology? Why wouldn't the same exact easily available technology that made them to begin with be used again? Why would there need to be different technology?

How would you replicate the stock? Not sure it would be that simple to replicate the cuts either.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I have to assume they could spot a fake, unless technology is already that good that they can't, in which case this hobby is doomed.

It isn't quite there yet, but it absolutely will be someday. And yes, that is when the hobby as we know it ceases to exist.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

It isn't quite there yet, but it absolutely will be someday. And yes, that is when the hobby as we know it ceases to exist.

Yup. This is the time bomb waiting to happen.

[tkd]

Yes, I would buy a raw Goudey Ruth but it would need to be discounted or have amazing eye appeal. There are enough of them around that buyers can be choosers.
If it's an extremely rare card I'm not as picky.

[7nohitter]

From a reputable dealer here, who would back it up?

Absolutely.