Hey, pennant guys

[Domer05]

I just received this nearly complete set of 15/16 mini pennants by Keezer. Pretty cool item. All measure 8.5" x 4", feature original artwork, tassels, and faux (painted) spines.

Seller bought them all individually, as a kid, ca. 1958-59. He was unsure what happened to the missing Milwaukee Braves pennant....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I just received this nearly complete set of 15/16 mini pennants by Keezer. Pretty cool item. All measure 8.5" x 4", feature original artwork, tassels, and faux (painted) spines.

Seller bought them all individually, as a kid, ca. 1958-59. He was unsure what happened to the missing Milwaukee Braves pennant....

Very cool, Kyle...

Do you want us to keep an eye out for the Braves, so you can complete the set?

[mfreema2]

Originally Posted by bocca001

The spine doesn't match the Mitchell and Ness. But the scrunched graphics do a bit. I guess the spine could have been replaced. I'm curious about the color of the cut tassels. I did also see the rare NY Titans pennant from the same seller, mentioned by Rob. I know that having the Titans pennant doesn't mean that this Reds is real, but it sounds like these are coming from a serious pennant collection.

The tassels are red. I agree that it sounds like these are coming from a serious collection.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

I just received this nearly complete set of 15/16 mini pennants by Keezer. Pretty cool item. All measure 8.5" x 4", feature original artwork, tassels, and faux (painted) spines.

Seller bought them all individually, as a kid, ca. 1958-59. He was unsure what happened to the missing Milwaukee Braves pennant....

These are very cool, Kyle. Do any of them have a Keezer tag on the back? Strangely they stamped many but not all of the large ones, but slapped labels on the little ones …

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

These are very cool, Kyle. Do any of them have a Keezer tag on the back? Strangely they stamped many but not all of the large ones, but slapped labels on the little ones …

FWIW, there are 2 Braves examples on eBay.... One is stamped (rough condition) and the other is labeled (the nicer of the two).

Anyway here they both are Klye, if you want to complete the set...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/22606321963...Bk9SR-6n7KLSYw

https://www.ebay.com/itm/28563357171...3ABFBM7qfsotJj

[Domer05]

I feel like I kinda have to complete the set, don't I?

So, yes, if you see a matching Braves pennant, let me know.

Unfortunately ... those two listings are for a Boston Braves pennant. To be historically accurate, I'm gonna need the matching Milwaukee Braves mini. So keep your eyes peeled for one for me.

[ser1979]

Picked this up the other day from a local auction in Detroit. I have the green version of this pennant, wondering if there is possibly a red version out there?

[perezfan]

Yes, there is indeed a red version. I used to have it... I also have the green, and didn't need two. All 3 colors are equally rare on this great pennant.

[Fballguy]

Not mine.

[Fballguy]

Purple...

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Purple...

My favorite.

[ser1979]

Crap, now I have to find red and purple.....

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

My favorite.

Mine too... the purple felt is gor-gee-ous!

[Fballguy]

Anyone have this beauty?

Just wondering…Did he sell these or give them away? Or just a decoration by his tables?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Some of his items he handed away and some he would give to you if you sold something to him. He’s had all kinds of things over the years and shows.

[UKCardGuy]

Did anyone see this 1920 Dodgers grommet pennant on ebay that closed yesterday?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266760111558

Besides the condition something didn't seem quite right about it. Thoughts?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Did anyone see this 1920 Dodgers grommet pennant on ebay that closed yesterday?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266760111558

Besides the condition something didn't seem quite right about it. Thoughts?

I think legit. This is mine. I think these and all of the dated grommet championship pennants may have all been made in the late 1930s. Mark and Kyle need to check in on this …

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Did anyone see this 1920 Dodgers grommet pennant on ebay that closed yesterday?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266760111558

Besides the condition something didn't seem quite right about it. Thoughts?

Ay yi yi! $600+ for THAT????

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I think legit. This is mine. I think these and all of the dated grommet championship pennants may have all been made in the late 1930s. Mark and Kyle need to check in on this …

It was legit. There were many different and very rare versions of this same style. Mark beat me out on a particularly beautiful 1936 Yankees version that is black. The earliest I have seen is a 1919 Chicago White Sox which I haven't seen in a real long time. I think it might have belonged to Halper and sold with his collection.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I think legit. This is mine. I think these and all of the dated grommet championship pennants may have all been made in the late 1930s. Mark and Kyle need to check in on this …

It appears to be legit. Unfortunately, it's lost all traces of its grommets....

Grommet pennants seem to range between 1919 and 1939. That 1919 AL Champs White Sox one Jason mentioned ... sold for $34,500!

For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

It appears to be legit. Unfortunately, it's lost all traces of its grommets....

Grommet pennants seem to range between 1919 and 1939. That 1919 AL Champs White Sox one Jason mentioned ... sold for $34,500!

For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

[ooo-ribay]

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets!

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

OK, then. Even if it was Giants, I don’t think I would have gone that high.

Then again, I’m a cheap ass (just ask Bocca)!

[RaiderPennantGuy]

I'm always in the market for those very rare Raider pennants.


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[Duluth Eskimo]

I thought it was a good deal too. I had set a snipe, but that was to buy for resale. I didn’t win it. Had I wanted it for a personal collection, I would have been willing to go much higher. Those pennants are extremely rare.

Those are some nice and rare Raiders pennants.

[RaiderPennantGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Wow cool finding. So they actually used it as a team specific logo. I thought it might have been more akin to the sliding runner baseball pennants where the pennant maker just slapped on a generic graphic. Makes sense if it is mid 60s, probably came after the pennant with the gold printing. I noticed that the Chiefs AFL has two versions, one has a touch of white in the dancing Indian and the other is all red. My guess is that the single-color AFLs came later but Football Rob would have a better idea.

There's a white version of that Raider pennant. I have only seen one but I haven't been collecting that long


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[Domer05]

That graphic has always confused me. Is the raider ... riding a horse?? I get that he has a hook for a hand, and said hook got fouled up on the Raiders logo somehow ... but I always assumed he was being chased by another player/pirate. Now I'm not so sure.

The white felt actually brings the image into focus (even though the image is low res).

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

I've never seen this 1915 Phillies grommet pennant; or the 1918 Red Sox. Anybody have photos of them??

[UKCardGuy]

Does anyone have a picture of the 1915 Phillies grommet pennant?

Here's a couple of new pickups. The 64 ASG is pretty tough to find.

Any info on the Boston Pennant would be appreciated.

[thetahat]

Kyle and Gary,

A sometimes poster on this thread (not for awhile though) sent me pics of both the ‘15 Phillies and the ‘18 Red Sox but he asked me not to share. Maybe he reads this and will reconsider …

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Kyle and Gary,

A sometimes poster on this thread (not for awhile though) sent me pics of both the ‘15 Phillies and the ‘18 Red Sox but he asked me not to share. Maybe he reads this and will reconsider …

Cloak and dagger…

1.9 million views.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

I agree it was a pretty good buy. I would have paid that but I wasn't sure about it's legitimacy. The seller could have run an iron over the pennant and it would have presented A LOT better. For me the colors were different than other examples of the Dodgers pennant and I just wasn't sure. (Live and Learn )

Erik, with regards to the 1915 and 1918 Grommet pennants, it'd really be great to see them.

[RaiderPennantGuy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

That graphic has always confused me. Is the raider ... riding a horse?? I get that he has a hook for a hand, and said hook got fouled up on the Raiders logo somehow ... but I always assumed he was being chased by another player/pirate. Now I'm not so sure.

The white felt actually brings the image into focus (even though the image is low res).

It's a logo the Raiders used in the early 60's. It's a strange logo but I guess with not much money in the early AFL days, graphics left a lot to be desired!

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[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets!

It was listed with a $500 Buy it Now price but someone bid insteady of buying it outright. They guessed wrong.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Domer05

That graphic has always confused me. Is the raider ... riding a horse?? I get that he has a hook for a hand, and said hook got fouled up on the Raiders logo somehow ... but I always assumed he was being chased by another player/pirate. Now I'm not so sure.

The white felt actually brings the image into focus (even though the image is low res).

Haha.... no horse, and no hook-hand. Just a well-covered receiver reaching up for a pass. Agree it's an unusual logo, but still more imaginative and far superior to the simplistic and "corporate" looking NFL logos of today.

Take the de-evolution of the Rams logo, for example...

https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/...045697/photo/1

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Haha.... no horse, and no hook-hand. Just a well-covered receiver reaching up for a pass. Agree it's an unusual logo, but still more imaginative and far superior to the simplistic and "corporate" looking NFL logos of today.

Take the de-evolution of the Rams logo, for example...

https://twitter.com/NFLonFOX/status/...045697/photo/1

Ouch...Don't get me started on that one. I don't think it can get worse than the 2020 rebrand. They had it so right from the early 50s through the 70s. But it's too easy of a money grab to pass up. They know the suckers will re-buy everything with the new logo on it no matter how bad it is.

Now look what you did...You got me started.

Regarding the Raiders pennant...It's weird to me that the logo was still in use in 1965 yet that pennant is extremely rare. The Raiders have four "logo" pennants with the AFL trademark (well five if you count the white version Randy shared), more than any other team. They must've realized that logo looked like crap on a pennant and went with the more common Raider head with crossed swords instead...which may be the most common of the Raiders AFL logo pennants and yet sells as if it's very rare.

[perezfan]

Wowser... $11,700 with the BP....

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=177248

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Wowser... $11,700 with the BP....

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=177248

I was watching that one. The price was incredible. I think that price was due to the condition - which is pretty stellar. I also think that REA did a good job describing it and attributing it to 1947.

There was one at Mile High last week that was much more reasonably priced....but with more wear.

https://milehighcardco.com/LotDetail...ntoryid=100218

I was surprised that the other Jackie Pennant at REA didn't go higher. https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=177268



Gary G01db3rg

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

I was watching that one. The price was incredible. I think that price was due to the condition - which is pretty stellar. I also think that REA did a good job describing it and attributing it to 1947.

There was one at Mile High last week that was much more reasonably priced....but with more wear.

https://milehighcardco.com/LotDetail...ntoryid=100218

I was surprised that the other Jackie Pennant at REA didn't go higher. https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=177268



Gary G01db3rg

I think the one in Mile High would've benefitted from better pictures. The black background didn't so it any favors.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Wowser... $11,700 with the BP....

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=177248

Mine is now available for the bargain basement price of $11,600 …. I’ll even throw in the holder!

But seriously, if this goes again it probably closes around 3K. I’d love to be wrong. Can’t really tell if this was two bidders just bashing each other over the head or not.

Now the JR “2nd Baseman” version? THAT is super duper rare. As is the elusive Luke Easter pennant of the same style and maker (WGN).

[jsage]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Wowser... $11,700 with the BP....

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...?itemid=177248

Mark -
The JR pennant looks like it could be a re-sale of the one I sold a few years ago. As you can see in the photo mine was perfect!
Jerry Sage

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by jsage

Mark -
The JR pennant looks like it could be a re-sale of the one I sold a few years ago. As you can see in the photo mine was perfect!
Jerry Sage

Yes, I think you're right, Jerry. I would bet it's one and the same as yours. The graphics and tassel placement look like a perfect match. And outside of Greg's, how many other NRMT-MT green versions could even exist?

[ooo-ribay]

I paid more for the Oxyclean ($6.99) than I did for the pennant ($5.00).

circa 1984-86.

[thetahat]

I’ve been collecting pennant strings and this here is a recent acquisition. Clearly from 1968 as it includes Oakland but neither expansion team. The pennants are a little bigger than the typical 9” ones on strings, these are almost 12”.

What’s interesting here is that this seems to have been an ASCO production. The “string” is the same wide cloth that they used for their spines and the stitching matches their “style”. Pennants are cloth.

But the pennants themselves are, with two exceptions, all Trench designs. This notably includes the Red Sox and Yankees stadium graphics. Only the Tigers and A’s appear to be copies of ASCO pennants. (The A’s full-size is super rare, I think it’s been posted here before.)

ASCO also used Trench’s swinging Uncle Sam on the 1969 trademarked “Old Timers” pennant.

[Domer05]

That is interesting. I agree: looks to be by ASCO; and they simply copied some Trench graphics for certain teams, which they (and others) were prone to do back then.

[SAllen2556]

I saw this, unbelievably, hanging in a restaurant the other day. Just hanging over a booth. I'd love to go back and try to buy it. The waitress said someone just gave it to the owner. Does anyone know what it might be worth? Pretty sure it's from 1935, but I've never seen one like it anywhere. Thanks for any help!


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[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

I saw this, unbelievably, hanging in a restaurant the other day. Just hanging over a booth. I'd love to go back and try to buy it. The waitress said someone just gave it to the owner. Does anyone know what it might be worth? Pretty sure it's from 1935, but I've never seen one like it anywhere. Thanks for any help!

Can I get the name of that restaurant?

[perezfan]

Jeez.... Tell the owner to get that thing protected, and moved away from that dusty/filthy air vent.

I've only seen that pennant one other time in many many years of collecting these things!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

I saw this, unbelievably, hanging in a restaurant the other day. Just hanging over a booth. I'd love to go back and try to buy it. The waitress said someone just gave it to the owner. Does anyone know what it might be worth? Pretty sure it's from 1935, but I've never seen one like it anywhere. Thanks for any help!


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Yes, 1935, and this could anywhere between $1000-$1800 in my opinion in auction. Mark, what do you think?