Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Domer05

It appears to be legit. Unfortunately, it's lost all traces of its grommets....

Grommet pennants seem to range between 1919 and 1939. That 1919 AL Champs White Sox one Jason mentioned ... sold for $34,500!

For more, see: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/bl...champs-pennant

I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

[ooo-ribay]

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets!

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

OK, then. Even if it was Giants, I don’t think I would have gone that high.

Then again, I’m a cheap ass (just ask Bocca)!

[RaiderPennantGuy]

I'm always in the market for those very rare Raider pennants.


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[Duluth Eskimo]

I thought it was a good deal too. I had set a snipe, but that was to buy for resale. I didn’t win it. Had I wanted it for a personal collection, I would have been willing to go much higher. Those pennants are extremely rare.

Those are some nice and rare Raiders pennants.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Rob, I thought it was pretty good buy, actually. Even with the uncertain origin and damage.

I agree it was a pretty good buy. I would have paid that but I wasn't sure about it's legitimacy. The seller could have run an iron over the pennant and it would have presented A LOT better. For me the colors were different than other examples of the Dodgers pennant and I just wasn't sure. (Live and Learn )

Erik, with regards to the 1915 and 1918 Grommet pennants, it'd really be great to see them.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Great points on the grommet pennants, Greg!

Somehow, I may have missed Kyle’s Pennant Factory grommet. Even though it’s D**gers, it’s damn cool. I love the color scheme.

Do you guys think $600+ was an overpay on the trashed ebay Dodgers? I’m not really a “condition guy” but, OMG, that thing was rough. Given how rare the grommet pennants seem to be, maybe some think $600+ wasn’t an overpay…

….for a grommet pennant with no grommets!

It was listed with a $500 Buy it Now price but someone bid insteady of buying it outright. They guessed wrong.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

I've never seen this 1915 Phillies grommet pennant; or the 1918 Red Sox. Anybody have photos of them??

[UKCardGuy]

Does anyone have a picture of the 1915 Phillies grommet pennant?

Here's a couple of new pickups. The 64 ASG is pretty tough to find.

Any info on the Boston Pennant would be appreciated.

[thetahat]

Kyle and Gary,

A sometimes poster on this thread (not for awhile though) sent me pics of both the ‘15 Phillies and the ‘18 Red Sox but he asked me not to share. Maybe he reads this and will reconsider …

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Kyle and Gary,

A sometimes poster on this thread (not for awhile though) sent me pics of both the ‘15 Phillies and the ‘18 Red Sox but he asked me not to share. Maybe he reads this and will reconsider …

Cloak and dagger…

1.9 million views.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I think there are a few things that suggest a later production, albeit still very old.

1. I have seen a 1915 Phillies version. So the design of the champions pennants do span at least 20 years. They all look very much alike, which would be unlikely if they were making them each year as opposed to a one-time production honoring past champs.

2. There are at least three color variations of the 1920 Dodgers. That’s just unusual for pennants of that period. By the late 1930s companies were making same style/different colors. Browns grommet pennants of this style from the late 1930s and early 40s come in 5 or 6 different colors.

3. The 1915 Phillies is a more “modern sized” pennant, 28-29” long, and not oversized as many/most of the teens pennants were.

None of these points suggest anything certain and I’m probably about 80% confident that these were commemorative pennants made for some event. Maybe the opening of the HOF or the 1939 centennial. That’s just an educated guess.

I have seen, in this style (grommets, design, etc.)

1915 Phillies
1918 Red Sox
1919 White Sox
1920 Dodgers
1920 Indians
1933 Senators
1936 Yankees
1936 Giants

Additionally there are Cardinals (non-champs) dated 1937, 38, 39 and a 1939 Browns, all from this grommet pennant company.

Does anyone have a photo of the 1920 Indians or the 1933 Senators grommet pennants?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Does anyone have a photo of the 1920 Indians or the 1933 Senators grommet pennants?

Here ya go, Gary. I have also seen a 1915 Phillies and 1918 Red Sox in this style but the person who sent me the pics asked me not to share.

[UKCardGuy]

Thanks Greg

[ooo-ribay]

I didn't "like' this pennant at all. It sold for $374.

a) how do we even know it's baseball related?

b) the Giants weren't using a black and orange color scheme in 1932.

c) the NY is Yankees, not Giants.

Am I wrong?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/196735565945

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I didn't "like' this pennant at all. It sold for $374.

a) how do we even know it's baseball related?

b) the Giants weren't using a black and orange color scheme in 1932.

c) the NY is Yankees, not Giants.

Am I wrong?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/196735565945

This one was discussed long ago (perhaps even before you joined net54). Consensus was that it is very likely NOT baseball related. Your instincts are spot-on.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by perezfan

This one was discussed long ago (perhaps even before you joined net54).

How could that be? I started the pennant thread. You mean you guys discussed pennants before I came along?

[ooo-ribay]

I did like this pennant but the tassels seem a little weird. The spacing from top and bottom seems way off and the top tassels look thick and the bottom tassels thin. Maybe there's three at the top and one missing at the bottom? It brought good money. I wouldn't be surprised if one of you guys got it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205052528157

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

I did like this pennant but the tassels seem a little weird. The spacing from top and bottom seems way off and the top tassels look thick and the bottom tassels thin. Maybe there's three at the top and one missing at the bottom? It brought good money. I wouldn't be surprised if one of you guys got it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/205052528157

Wasn’t me, but this was a good get. The colors are vivid and it’s almost flawless. Hard to find without cracking in the shield. Might be the most attractive vintage ASG pennant. Not unusual for this company to be a little sloppy with tassel placement. I’ve seen it on others.