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View Poll Results: Is it ethical to alter and sell cards without disclosing that they were altered?
Yes, it is perfectly acceptable and ethical to sell an altered without disclosing this to the buyer 5 4.24%
No, it is unethical to not disclose alterations the alterations 34 28.81%
No, it is unethical to not disclose the alterations, and it is fraud to do so 79 66.95%
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Old 03-20-2024, 03:08 PM
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Yeah, I agree with soaking. I don't see the alteration aspect of soaking a card. The card wasn't glued to anything when it was issued, so to me the alteration was gluing it to something. If you're able to soak it apart from what it was glued to, the card is in its original form and I don't see how it's been altered.
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Old 03-20-2024, 09:50 PM
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Soaking a T206.... I understand that some folks here think that soaking a T206 is altering a T206. I think that folks that have more than just a few T206s, graded and or not graded, have cards that have been soaked. Almost all of them have been soaked. ESPECIALLY if the card had great corners (which to me indicates a higher likelihood that the card was flour pasted into a scrapbook 115 years ago, and that is why the corners survived. A bunch of folks seem to be sanctimoniously in denial about that.

Slabs... When I buy a slabbed card ( think a T206 in a PSA 3 holder ), if I then break it out and put the card in with my other T206s, have I then altered that card? Haven't I altered it from graded to raw? Don't some folks buy the grade, not the card? If I sell a breakout card, should I disclose that it was graded? If I don't, is that fraud?

Where's that beating a dead horse video?
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Old 03-20-2024, 10:03 PM
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I have a T206 that I asked Ted Zanidakis to sign on the back. He did sign, and sent it back to me. So... Ted altered the card??? I'm complicit to that??? If I sell that card to someone, it's pretty obvious that Ted Z signed the back. I need to disclose that to a buyer anyway??? IF, in the process of taking scissors to a over-taped mailing package that I get one day, in the process of using the scissors, I cut a T206 in half, if I then sell that card, am I committing fraud if I don't tell the buyer that I cut that card in half???
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