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Old 12-29-2023, 11:38 PM
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What’s the “ugh”? Fake? Too much? You had one you sold for 100 bucks?
Just two problems with it....

Mitchell and Ness

We discussed it earlier in this thread (about 3 weeks or so ago). Severely aged to look old.... and outside of the spine, tassels, size and graphics all being wrong, it's a great piece!
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Old 12-30-2023, 05:27 AM
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Thanks for pointing it out guys. As a learning exercise, I tried to compare the ebay fake to past listings with big auction companies:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/707-19598.s#

https://lelands.com/bids/1918-boston-red-sox-pennant

I think I can spot the following discrepancies:
  • The spin is a thick spin rather than the thin one that should be there
  • There shouldn't be any "1918" on the pennant
  • The lines on the 4 bases aren't right. They should have 2 lines diaganal down and 1 diaganal across not a "+".
  • The crossed bats don't have the right detail (specifically where the bats cross each other)
  • The lines in the floral pattern around the circles are missing and the floral pattern is the wrong shape.
  • The white of the graphics is grainy rather than solid white
  • It's hard to tell from the photos but the fabric looks too smooth on the fake one

I was going to mention the tassels are white instead of red but I'm pretty sure that the pennant manufacturers used multiple colors for tassels based on the materials they had available.

Have I missed anything?

By comparison are these listings legit?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255378459443
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294201236387
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Old 12-30-2023, 09:14 AM
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On this page alone, I’ve twice asked a question or made a comment on something that has already been answered (1918 Red Sox) or commented on (1946 Cardinals). From now on, I’ll refresh the page to avoid looking like a dope.
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Old 12-30-2023, 01:08 PM
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Thanks for pointing it out guys. As a learning exercise, I tried to compare the ebay fake to past listings with big auction companies:

https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-c...a/707-19598.s#

https://lelands.com/bids/1918-boston-red-sox-pennant

I think I can spot the following discrepancies:
  • The spin is a thick spin rather than the thin one that should be there
  • There shouldn't be any "1918" on the pennant
  • The lines on the 4 bases aren't right. They should have 2 lines diaganal down and 1 diaganal across not a "+".
  • The crossed bats don't have the right detail (specifically where the bats cross each other)
  • The lines in the floral pattern around the circles are missing and the floral pattern is the wrong shape.
  • The white of the graphics is grainy rather than solid white
  • It's hard to tell from the photos but the fabric looks too smooth on the fake one

I was going to mention the tassels are white instead of red but I'm pretty sure that the pennant manufacturers used multiple colors for tassels based on the materials they had available.

Have I missed anything?

By comparison are these listings legit?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/255378459443
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294201236387
Yes … I’ll add that what makes the white graphics look “grainy” as you say is the fact that it’s clearly not screenprint but the same felt texture as the pennant itself. A clear indicator of a modern production, Collegiate pennants notwithstanding.
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Just two problems with it....

Mitchell and Ness

We discussed it earlier in this thread (about 3 weeks or so ago). Severely aged to look old.... and outside of the spine, tassels, size and graphics all being wrong, it's a great piece!
I was going to say "Queue The Price is Right "bust" music"...But then I noticed the Mitchell & Ness version doesn't notate "1918".

Even so...Not sure I'd spend $4500 on a pennant that had such a good repro the average collector wouldn't know the difference. Good luck recouping your investment.
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Old 12-30-2023, 09:44 AM
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Here are a couple originals and a couple Ness's including the one that just sold on ebay. None of the originals I've found have 1918 notated. Maybe someone added it to the Mitchell and Ness version to enhance "authenticity"?

But the give away that this is Ness, in addition to the spine/tassels previously pointed out is the markings on the four bases. Completely wrong on the Ness versions.

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I was going to say "Queue The Price is Right "bust" music"...But then I noticed the Mitchell & Ness version doesn't notate "1918".

Even so...Not sure I'd spend $4500 on a pennant that had such a good repro the average collector wouldn't know the difference. Good luck recouping your investment.
Even the "real deal" is not a very attractive pennant, when compared to the Reproduction Company stuff of the same era.
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