Contemporary Baseball Era Committee for Managers/Executives/Umpires for Hall of Fame

[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

What did Leyland do to deserve that? Wow, a whole ONE World Series title in 22 seasons. This is pitiful.

Heck, put Danny Murtaugh in before this guy.

[BioCRN]

Leyland is very well liked in the baseball world...players, executives, and writers.

Purity tests for HOF'rs aside, being well liked is a big plus when it comes time to vote.

I find him a boring pick, but I don't find the pick unsurprising.

[mainemule]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

What did Leyland do to deserve that? Wow, a whole ONE World Series title in 22 seasons. This is pitiful.

Guess nobody has ever heard of Billy Martin. Heck, put Danny Murtaugh in before this guy.

* Bochy, Baker and Francona will be elected as managers

I needed to look this up as to me post-season means a lot for managers:

Murtaugh/Gaston/Tom Kelly 2 Pennants- 2 WS
Houk 3 Pennants- 2 WS
Leyland 3 Pennants- 1 WS
Martin 2 Pennants- 1 WS
Piniella 1 Pennant- 1 WS

For managers, 3 titles is automatic, 2 and either another pennant or lots of wins usually gets you in. Houk certainly an outlier due to great NYY teams. Bill Carrigan other 2 timer not in.

The 3 pennants separate Leyland and he had some terrific Tigers teams that came up short.

Houk and Charlie Grim look to be only 3 time pennant winners not elected. Grimm has no titles.

EDIT- as HOF speculator I have the attached......

[G1911]

The odds of a corrupt result when you have a voting body of 16 insiders in a closed session is extremely high.

This format is a horrible idea if the intent is any kind of an honest outcome. The writers process has its issues but there are few corrupt choices from that process.

[jayshum]

I have to admit to being happy Joe West didn't come close to getting in. He was part of the group that received less than 5 votes.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Get rid of these Committees. Too much cronyism. Need a much broader base of voters.

[mainemule]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Get rid of these Committees. Too much cronyism. Need a much broader base of voters.

I agree.....what about giving all HOFers a vote? Still need 75%.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by mainemule

I agree.....what about giving all HOFers a vote? Still need 75%.

Or a diverse group selected from different constituencies.

[ejharrington]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I have to admit to being happy Joe West didn't come close to getting in. He was part of the group that received less than 5 votes.

100% agree

[paul]

I believe the HOF tried giving all living members a vote for a few years. No one got elected, so they changed the system.

[brianp-beme]

I think baseball card cutup artists have severely dwindled the supply of early Jim Leyland cards from the late 1980's when fashioning under eye shadows and ear canals in their artwork.

Brian (now I have to dig out one of my 1987 Topps of him before I absentmindedly send it off to the art scissor underworld )