Lelands Offers Extraordinary CDV Find Showing Baseball’s Beginnings

[Schlesinj]

When I asked them about if they will grade something at a show they give me an email address to contact. I assume the sales people are not complete experts just someone to help making a username on the website.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Schlesinj

When I asked them about if they will grade something at a show they give me an email address to contact. I assume the sales people are not complete experts just someone to help making a username on the website.

Finally got a somewhat sensible answer today. Here is the email chain with names and my links removed (I left Leland's in, because it's a thread about them!)

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Hi XXXXX, I was recently told at the Chantilly show that you don't grade CDV's, now I see Lelands has a ton of CDV's that you have indeed graded. Mine were civil war era, and themed, not baseball, but not sure why that would make a difference. Also I was told you simply don't do them, not anything about just doing baseball. It's a little frustrating because this collection is in our current auction and I certainly would've preferred to have them slabbed!


Scott

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Hi Scott,

Thanks for reaching out. We appreciate your support. Unfortunately, we currently do not grade CDV's. I'm sorry to disappoint.

Please let me know if you have any other questions and I'll be more than happy to help.

Have a great weekend!

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but there are a bunch of CDV's in your slabs in Leland's current auction:

https://auction.lelands.com/lots/gal...searchin=title

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Hi Scott,


We do not do the historical CDV's at all. The ones listed on Lelands auctions are baseball ones. These are done on a case by case basis. Let me know if you have any other questions!

Thank you!

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Finally got a somewhat sensible answer today. Here is the email chain with names and my links removed (I left Leland's in, because it's a thread about them!)

__________________________________________________ ______

Hi XXXXX, I was recently told at the Chantilly show that you don't grade CDV's, now I see Lelands has a ton of CDV's that you have indeed graded. Mine were civil war era, and themed, not baseball, but not sure why that would make a difference. Also I was told you simply don't do them, not anything about just doing baseball. It's a little frustrating because this collection is in our current auction and I certainly would've preferred to have them slabbed!


Scott

__________________________________________________ _______

Hi Scott,

Thanks for reaching out. We appreciate your support. Unfortunately, we currently do not grade CDV's. I'm sorry to disappoint.

Please let me know if you have any other questions and I'll be more than happy to help.

Have a great weekend!

__________________________________________________ ________

but there are a bunch of CDV's in your slabs in Leland's current auction:

https://auction.lelands.com/lots/gal...searchin=title

__________________________________________________ ________

Hi Scott,


We do not do the historical CDV's at all. The ones listed on Lelands auctions are baseball ones. These are done on a case by case basis. Let me know if you have any other questions!

Thank you!

So, they don't grade them, but sometimes do grade them?

[Schwertfeger1007]

I have no dog in this fight but I will point out that SGC stands for "Sportscard Guaranty Corporation" ...so the decision to grade baseball player CDVs and NOT historical figure CDVs makes sense to me.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Schwertfeger1007

I have no dog in this fight but I will point out that SGC stands for "Sportscard Guaranty Corporation" ...so the decision to grade baseball player CDVs and NOT historical figure CDVs makes sense to me.

I don't necessarily disagree (though they grade plenty of non-sports obviously) I even offered that as a possible reason in my first email only to be told "Unfortunately, we currently do not grade CDV's. I'm sorry to disappoint."

And then we finally got around to that explanation.

[Shankweather]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

So, they don't grade them, but sometimes do grade them?

They used to, but they have changed their standards somewhat recently. I sent in a 1930 Blue Ribbon Malt premium and they would only authenticate it, but they used to grade them.

You’ll see CDVs in new slabs because people got older cards reslabbed.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Shankweather

They used to, but they have changed their standards somewhat recently. I sent in a 1930 Blue Ribbon Malt premium and they would only authenticate it, but they used to grade them.

You’ll see CDVs in new slabs because people got older cards reslabbed.

Not true, they will do CDV's on a case by case basis. See my email chain.

[Rhotchkiss]

[QUOTEYou’ll see CDVs in new slabs because people got older cards reslabbed.[/QUOTE]

CDVs in Lelands are new to the hobby and freshly graded

Seems to me that SGC will still grade certain sports or baseball CDVs, and my gut is they will only grade what they can verify is legit, either through provenance, comparison to prior examples, etc.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

CDVs in Lelands are new to the hobby and freshly graded

Seems to me that SGC will still grade certain sports or baseball CDVs, and my gut is they will only grade what they can verify is legit, either through provenance, comparison to prior examples, etc.

If true this could be a legitimate explanation for their inconsistency, but what makes you think that? I doubt there are too many other examples of those 1871 CDVs floating around to compare with.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

If true this could be a legitimate explanation for their inconsistency, but what makes you think that? I doubt there are too many other examples of those 1871 CDVs floating around to compare with.

I think they may be the only examples! With these, its the very solid provenance, which is described in detail in Lelands' write ups, I imagine the relied on.

I have no personal idea the circumstances in which SGC (or PSA) will or will not authenticate something. However, in conversations with a few AH owners who have sent things to TPGs to be authenticated, TPGs are very hesitant to slab something as authentic unless they are totally confident they know what it is and in its authenticity. What could make a TPG confident? Prior examples, provenance, influence..... (at least these are what I could come up with).