Lelands Offers Extraordinary CDV Find Showing Baseball’s Beginnings

[Shankweather]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

So, they don't grade them, but sometimes do grade them?

They used to, but they have changed their standards somewhat recently. I sent in a 1930 Blue Ribbon Malt premium and they would only authenticate it, but they used to grade them.

You’ll see CDVs in new slabs because people got older cards reslabbed.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Shankweather

They used to, but they have changed their standards somewhat recently. I sent in a 1930 Blue Ribbon Malt premium and they would only authenticate it, but they used to grade them.

You’ll see CDVs in new slabs because people got older cards reslabbed.

Not true, they will do CDV's on a case by case basis. See my email chain.

[Rhotchkiss]

[QUOTEYou’ll see CDVs in new slabs because people got older cards reslabbed.[/QUOTE]

CDVs in Lelands are new to the hobby and freshly graded

Seems to me that SGC will still grade certain sports or baseball CDVs, and my gut is they will only grade what they can verify is legit, either through provenance, comparison to prior examples, etc.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

CDVs in Lelands are new to the hobby and freshly graded

Seems to me that SGC will still grade certain sports or baseball CDVs, and my gut is they will only grade what they can verify is legit, either through provenance, comparison to prior examples, etc.

If true this could be a legitimate explanation for their inconsistency, but what makes you think that? I doubt there are too many other examples of those 1871 CDVs floating around to compare with.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

If true this could be a legitimate explanation for their inconsistency, but what makes you think that? I doubt there are too many other examples of those 1871 CDVs floating around to compare with.

I think they may be the only examples! With these, its the very solid provenance, which is described in detail in Lelands' write ups, I imagine the relied on.

I have no personal idea the circumstances in which SGC (or PSA) will or will not authenticate something. However, in conversations with a few AH owners who have sent things to TPGs to be authenticated, TPGs are very hesitant to slab something as authentic unless they are totally confident they know what it is and in its authenticity. What could make a TPG confident? Prior examples, provenance, influence..... (at least these are what I could come up with).

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I think they may be the only examples! With these, its the very solid provenance, which is described in detail in Lelands' write ups, I imagine the relied on.

I have no personal idea the circumstances in which SGC (or PSA) will or will not authenticate something. However, in conversations with a few AH owners who have sent things to TPGs to be authenticated, TPGs are very hesitant to slab something as authentic unless they are totally confident they know what it is and in its authenticity. What could make a TPG confident? Prior examples, provenance, influence..... (at least these are what I could come up with).

Makes sense. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.

[GaryPassamonte]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I think they may be the only examples! With these, its the very solid provenance, which is described in detail in Lelands' write ups, I imagine the relied on.

I have no personal idea the circumstances in which SGC (or PSA) will or will not authenticate something. However, in conversations with a few AH owners who have sent things to TPGs to be authenticated, TPGs are very hesitant to slab something as authentic unless they are totally confident they know what it is and in its authenticity. What could make a TPG confident? Prior examples, provenance, influence..... (at least these are what I could come up with).

I believe there are 1 or 2 additional examples of most, if not all, of the Pierce team cdvs. It is interesting that while both the Peck and Snyder and Pierce photographs were available for sale, there are apparently much fewer Pierce cdvs known.

[puckpaul]

How about a shoutout for the Lipman Pike CDV…i was debating bidding above $10k and then…it sold for $109k! Nice. Incredible and rare card. The others did well but that stood out.

[Schwertfeger1007]

I'm super excited to have won this gorgeous Brouthers Cabinet tonight.

Does anyone happen to have more info than the description provides?

I'm trying to pin down the year and am a bit confused that it says Buffalo on the image but was taken in a Detroit Studio as he played for both cities.

"Brouthers was a member of the Buffalo Bisons from 1881 to 1885 before joining the Detroit Wolverines in 1886."

The only other Randall Cabinet I recall seeing was a Harry Wright which said it was from 1877.

Any help with year or other Randall Cabinets out there is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Brian