Same SGC 7 Mantle Sold 4 times in 15 months

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

How do you know?

Betsy told me directly that sales only get posted once they get paid for. I also have a few friends who work there, and we've had these discussions multiple times. When a crazy sale happens, I try to get the inside scoop on whether or not it gets paid for. Whenever one doesn't get paid for it doesn't show up on their sold listings search results. Also, as I consigner, I can confirm this to be the case. I've had two cards not get paid for there since they launched their platform (and dozens that were paid for). As soon as a card gets paid for, I can see a change in my accounting page and then I can find it in their sales history page. But for the cards that went unpaid, they never showed up on the sales history page (I know because I kept checking because I was relying on those proceeds to fund another big purchase).

Is it possible that someone high up at PWCC could manipulate the system and fake a sale through a manual override? Sure, it's possible. If someone has direct access to the database, they could create an entry. But that's not how their system is set up by default. And I don't see any reason to assume that this is happening without evidence. And seeing a sale that seems high in retrospect, but which actually aligns perfectly with where the broader market was at the time, is not evidence.

[Snapolit1]

Refusing to leap to assumptions that are unsupported by evidence is very out of vogue these days.

Originally Posted by Snowman

Betsy told me directly that sales only get posted once they get paid for. I also have a few friends who work there, and we've had these discussions multiple times. When a crazy sale happens, I try to get the inside scoop on whether or not it gets paid for. Whenever one doesn't get paid for it doesn't show up on their sold listings search results. Also, as I consigner, I can confirm this to be the case. I've had two cards not get paid for there since they launched their platform (and dozens that were paid for). As soon as a card gets paid for, I can see a change in my accounting page and then I can find it in their sales history page. But for the cards that went unpaid, they never showed up on the sales history page (I know because I kept checking because I was relying on those proceeds to fund another big purchase).

Is it possible that someone high up at PWCC could manipulate the system and fake a sale through a manual override? Sure, it's possible. If someone has direct access to the database, they could create an entry. But that's not how their system is set up by default. And I don't see any reason to assume that this is happening without evidence. And seeing a sale that seems high in retrospect, but which actually aligns perfectly with where the broader market was at the time, is not evidence.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Betsy told me directly that sales only get posted once they get paid for. I also have a few friends who work there, and we've had these discussions multiple times. When a crazy sale happens, I try to get the inside scoop on whether or not it gets paid for. Whenever one doesn't get paid for it doesn't show up on their sold listings search results. Also, as I consigner, I can confirm this to be the case. I've had two cards not get paid for there since they launched their platform (and dozens that were paid for). As soon as a card gets paid for, I can see a change in my accounting page and then I can find it in their sales history page. But for the cards that went unpaid, they never showed up on the sales history page (I know because I kept checking because I was relying on those proceeds to fund another big purchase).

Is it possible that someone high up at PWCC could manipulate the system and fake a sale through a manual override? Sure, it's possible. If someone has direct access to the database, they could create an entry. But that's not how their system is set up by default. And I don't see any reason to assume that this is happening without evidence. And seeing a sale that seems high in retrospect, but which actually aligns perfectly with where the broader market was at the time, is not evidence.

Of course Betsy is going to tell you that. You trust Betsy? Of course people who work there are not going to admit to fake sales. You should revise your post to, PWCC told me they don't do that.

[Johnny630]

Well here is another one by our PWCC….

1953 Topps Willie Mays SGC 8 sale reported by vcp $186,000 4/13

Now Same Card 2 weeks ago less than 6 months apart same card sells in PWCC for $99,000 so you tell me ??? Did the card drop $87,000 in less then six months or Was the first sale Puff and Fluff .

How long before you see this back up for sale this time it could be punted to another major or what the hell they may try it again…

Thoughts ��

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

man those are some narrow borders on that Mays...

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

man those are some narrow borders on that Mays...

I just don't see that. To me the picture looks a little big.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Yeah, the market really has dropped that much on some cards. I can’t say that those results are not believable.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I just don't see that. To me the picture looks a little big.

Looking at other examples I'm probably just being paranoid, but that was my first impression.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

man those are some narrow borders on that Mays...

It could be trimmed, but I wouldn't say necessarily. The Mays in particular has extremely narrow borders to begin with in comparison to the rest of the set.

[Johnny630]

Mays borders are fine, the card is beautiful, to me it’s a strong Nrmt-Mint properly graded 8. It’s the second sale that was not reported that was the thrust of my post.

[parkplace33]

I don’t believe those 53 Mays prices for a second. And I am curious what an 8 would sell for now (if one comes out).

[Republicaninmass]

Jesus christ, some of the largest amount of fruads are perpetrated by church patrons ON their own church people.. ask any investigator. As an aside, anytime an ebay auction has "god bless" it usually a scam!


Talk about fishing for reasons

[Powell]

Anyone know any the Mantle SGC 7 cert number changed?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

It could be trimmed, but I wouldn't say necessarily. The Mays in particular has extremely narrow borders to begin with in comparison to the rest of the set.

that's the reason for my follow up post. I went and looked at some examples and noticed the thinner than normal borders even on 1's and 2's

[Bcwcardz]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Well here is another one by our PWCC….

1953 Topps Willie Mays SGC 8 sale reported by vcp $186,000 4/13

Now Same Card 2 weeks ago less than 6 months apart same card sells in PWCC for $99,000 so you tell me ??? Did the card drop $87,000 in less then six months or Was the first sale Puff and Fluff .

How long before you see this back up for sale this time it could be punted to another major or what the hell they may try it again…

Thoughts ��

I don’t believe either of these sales nor many of these 6 figure sales. There are so much shenanigans going on with this kind of things . You can’t keep up with it.


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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Of course Betsy is going to tell you that. You trust Betsy? Of course people who work there are not going to admit to fake sales. You should revise your post to, PWCC told me they don't do that.

Not that religion matters, but one of my friends who works there is a Mormon. I'm not religious, but in my experience, most Mormons care deeply about their integrity. And I would put his integrity over anyone else's I've met in this hobby. And he's had numerous opportunities to be able to prove himself otherwise, yet never took one.

Also, perhaps you missed the part of my post where I said I also witnessed this fact firsthand from my own sales history. When my cards went unpaid for, they did not show up in the sales history section of the website. Cards do not post there until paid for. I can attest that this is true firsthand.