This is Vent Thread - Lets define "Pumper" relating to this section of this website

[Exhibitman]

Greg, Ryan, if you make me stop this car and come back there you are both going to be sorry.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Greg, Ryan, if you make me stop this car and come back there you are both going to be sorry.

Sorry Adam . Here, have some boxing cards. There was no baseball within reach.

[Rhotchkiss]

I have said it before G1911 -- I do not like you and I think you are a dipshit. That is no secret and I am happy to, again, state that publicly.

That said, I am genuinely interested to see if the rest of this community agrees with your definition of what a pumper is.

Almost anytime someone asks an investment-financial related question, you quip in with your "pumper" BS. For example, 16 posts into the very recent thread called "How did this all Start", a thread that asks a genuine question and contains legitimate discussion, you state:

"A whole lot of collectibles and hobbies saw spikes with many people hiding inside, not working much, and getting paid still. The only surprise is that some people are surprised the pumpers weren't right and the market is falling instead of continuing to just go up forever. None of the pumpers were willing to share the screenshots of them cashing out their 401K's to buy cards like they were advising others to do for some reason. Wonder why."

Nobody on this site ever said this. You try to make every investment/money-based thread about pumpers, draining 401ks, and a market that only goes up. I believe you are wrong and I believe most of this community believes you are wrong.

Later in that same thread, in response to the question of whether people are rooting for prices to fall, you state: "Rooting for it? I'd root for a full collapse. Cards are for fun and a hobby, not a profit center in my portfolio. The cheaper they are the more cards I can have fun collecting. It's not in my interest for prices to go up as a collector. Rising prices = good for investor or collector/investor, falling prices = good for collector." If anything, it seems to me your posts are intended to pump negativity into the asset class so that prices come down, in your interest as a collector. You may be the biggest (anti) pumper here!

If we can get a consensus on the definition of a pumper, we can determine whether we have any on this site, and thus, determine the veracity or inaccuracy of your constant statements and we can call a real pumper a pumper.

Ryan Hotchkiss

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I have said it before G1911 -- I do not like you and I think you are a dipshit. That is no secret and I am happy to, again, state that publicly.

That said, I am genuinely interested to see if the rest of this community agrees with your definition of what a pumper is.

Almost anytime someone asks an investment-financial related question, you quip in with your "pumper" BS. For example, 16 posts into the very recent thread called "How did this all Start", a thread that asks a genuine question and contains legitimate discussion, you state:

"A whole lot of collectibles and hobbies saw spikes with many people hiding inside, not working much, and getting paid still. The only surprise is that some people are surprised the pumpers weren't right and the market is falling instead of continuing to just go up forever. None of the pumpers were willing to share the screenshots of them cashing out their 401K's to buy cards like they were advising others to do for some reason. Wonder why."

Nobody on this site ever said this. You try to make every investment/money-based thread about pumpers, draining 401ks, and a market that only goes up. I believe you are wrong and I believe most of this community believes you are wrong.

If we can get a consensus on the definition of a pumper, we can determine whether we have any on this site, and thus, determine the veracity or inaccuracy of your constant statements

Ryan Hotchkiss

Took you three tries to summon the courage to say what you are "happy" to state, after first insisting this isn't about what it's obviously about .

Actually, you are the only one of us to have made a thread about pumpers. I have posted occasionally in threads already about them. You can easily see the threads I've made, almost all research type.

The only time I remember us getting into it is when I criticized you sharing your wish of a politician you don't like to be murdered so you could collect the lynch knot in a thread that had been very interesting before your bizarrely violent hijack. You are welcome to think I am a dipshit and try to stir up a community against me. Go ahead.

If you want to actually debate something said, then you quote that post and reply to it in that thread with your argument. If you want to throw childish tantrums, lie about the purpose and keep making new threads to bitch at your enemies, then do that.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Speaking of things that happen occasionally in "this section of the website" I know of no other member than OP that throws around ad hominem attacks on other members in this section for simply disagreeing with them.

[theshowandme]

The actual pumpers you see on YouTube with their investment channels and clips of them spending five/six figures at card shows probably do not even know what Net54 is.

[anchorednw]

if anything, it seems to me your posts are intended to pump negativity into the asset class so that prices come down, in your interest as a collector. You may be the biggest (anti) pumper here!

No dog in the fight, but this was a fun rebuttal. +1 Ryan

[RCFire82]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Greg, Ryan, if you make me stop this car and come back there you are both going to be sorry.

Nice Adam! Pretty sure I've picked up a couple t206's from you in the past. I'll look for your table at the Pasadena show 👍

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am not even sure what the argument is about at this point. If the question is whether Ryan is "pumping" cards, I would say he is not.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am not even sure what the argument is about at this point. If the question is whether Ryan is "pumping" cards, I would say he is not.

It's just a vent thread to bitch about me that tried not to say it explicitly at first, triggered by a statement in another thread that does not even talk about this guy at all. There's no real argument.

[sportscardpete]

There is a big difference between talking up your cards and pumping. For example, Ryan (hey Ryan) has some great Wagner portraits. Wagner is hot. Ryan is allowed to talk about his collection.

What I would think is pumping is if Ryan is talking up his Wagner's and how great of a buy this is and then selling right after (or having the intent to sell). Ryan - I am watching auction houses for your Wagners!! lol

Where I think you see that more - as mentioned earlier in this thread - is on youtube, where people are pumping quick flips. Again, that is their business, no judgment at all.

To be honest, I think we all have a sense of what a collectors true intention is. And for most of us who wander aimlessly on here for no reason other than to talk about cardboard, I wouldn't classify 99% of us as pumpers.

Some things that tell me you aren't a pumper: you have a flickr, you are on here more than 5x a day to read content, and you take out your cards at least once a week to look at them.

It is naturally to talk about your cards and why they are great buys. I tell my friends all the time why Ruth and Cobb are great buys. I am not trying to pump them, but I can also see why people think that. I am just talking about cards I like, not hoping that a random friend props up my Cobb postcard prices so I can sell them.

PS - Ty Cobb rookie postcards are hot

PPS - For sale, Ty Cobb rookie postcards. DM me.

[brianp-beme]

I have been shamelessly pumping the sort of lovable vintage dreck for years on here as seen below. Heed my words or miss out on the low condition gravy train.

Brian (a train full of gravy is just asking to skip off the rails and plunge into a potato field)

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

I have been shamelessly pumping the sort of lovable vintage dreck for years on here as seen below. Heed my words or miss out on the low condition gravy train.

Brian (a train full of gravy is just asking to skip off the rails and plunge into a potato field)

That, sir, is a very cool collection. Any self-respecting card collector would be proud of them all. Awesome cards.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am not even sure what the argument is about at this point. If the question is whether Ryan is "pumping" cards, I would say he is not.

Peter, I am confident I am not pumping cards (at least I don’t intend to). But thank you.

It is a vent thread. In response to many threads discussing values/investments, G1911 constantly accuses pumpers on this site of encouraging people to empty their 401K’s, borrow against assets, etc. Its annoying and beyond old bc (1) it’s often irrelevant to the specific topic/conversation, and (2) it implies we have nefarious board members posting opinions solely for personal gain, which I believe is simply not true. I often opine here on investment matters and cards. Many of us do. Personally, I can’t help feeling like I am called a pumper for doing so. I imagine I am not the only one who feels this way.

Anyway, perhaps I am the asshole or overly sensitive, or both. So be it. I have vented and now I will retire to my corner

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Peter, I am confident I am not pumping cards (at least I don’t intend to). But thank you.

It is a vent thread. In response to many threads discussing values/investments, G1911 constantly accuses pumpers on this site of encouraging people to empty their 401K’s, borrow against assets, etc. Its annoying and beyond old bc (1) it’s often irrelevant to the specific topic/conversation, and (2) it implies we have nefarious board members posting opinions solely for personal gain, which I believe is simply not true. I often opine here on investment matters and cards. Many of us do. Personally, I can’t help feeling like I am called a pumper for doing so. I imagine I am not the only one who feels this way.

Anyway, perhaps I am the asshole or overly sensitive, or both. So be it. I have vented and now I will retire to my corner

Since you solicited opinions on the matter, I'd suggest worrying less about whether or not people think you are pumper and focus on trying to be a nicer human being.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Since you solicited opinions on the matter, I'd suggest worrying less about whether or not people think you are pumper and focus on trying to be a nicer human being.

Thank you for your opinion.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Since you solicited opinions on the matter, I'd suggest worrying less about whether or not people think you are pumper and focus on trying to be a nicer human being.

Says the nice human being

ps...I fully admit I am not nice.

btw, I think T205 cobbs are about to take off. Better grab one!

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[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by Leon

Says the nice human being

ps...I fully admit I am not nice.

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I try to be nice!!! I can't say I succeed all the time.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Leon

Says the nice human being

ps...I fully admit I am not nice.

btw, I think T205 cobbs are about to take off. Better grab one!

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[hcv123]

Originally Posted by Leon

Says the nice human being

ps...I fully admit I am not nice.

btw, I think T205 cobbs are about to take off. Better grab one!

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Is yours available!??