Contemporary Baseball Era Committee for Managers/Executives/Umpires for Hall of Fame

jayshum · #1 10-21-2023, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Misunderestimated

THis is the most thoughtful thing written on HOF managers I'm aware of (Bill James, of course)
https://www.billjamesonline.com/the_..._fame_manager/

Earlier, in 1997, he wrote a whoie (great) book on managers from "1870 to Today"

This article is also interesting:
https://tht.fangraphs.com/evaluating-managers/

Thanks for posting the links. I like how Bill James tries to come up with some measure of expected performance for a team that can be compared to how they actually did as a way to evaluate how a manager did, but I still think that leaves out personnel changes from one season to the next. If lost 100 games then sign 3 big free agents, basing an expected record on the previous 2 seasons doesn't seem that valid. For managers pre free agency, maybe it works a little better, but still players change from year to year.

Tabe · #2 10-21-2023, 02:17 PM

I don't see much of a case for any of the managers. Gaston had two titles but did absolutely nothing else and had a short career. Piniella and Leyland are both remembered as having teams that underperformed. Piniella won 116 games - swept in the playoffs. Had Unit, ARod, Junior, and Edgar - all in their primes - and did nothing with them.

Fred · #3 10-21-2023, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabe

I don't see much of a case for any of the managers. Gaston had two titles but did absolutely nothing else and had a short career. Piniella and Leyland are both remembered as having teams that underperformed. Piniella won 116 games - swept in the playoffs. Had Unit, ARod, Junior, and Edgar - all in their primes - and did nothing with them.

Dang! A definite die hard Mariners fan! That was a great season for Seattle, I thought they were going to clean house in the post season that year.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #4 10-21-2023, 03:51 PM

Hank "Who?" Peters? If they're so desperate to throw people of this category through the doors, there's always Bavasi or Gabe Paul. Charley O? At this point, inducting the mule as opposed to the man wouldn't make the HOF look any less ridiculous.

BillyCoxDodgers3B · #5 10-21-2023, 03:56 PM

Even as a Canadian, I'm perfectly against Gaston getting in. Those teams were plied with ringers brought in for a season or two then sold off. Never cared for those Jays teams. With enough money and desire, anyone can buy a World Series-winning club, and that point was proven in 1992 and '93.

Leyland? How is he even in consideration for anything? Managing for a long time is meaningless in regards to the HOF without some more pennants or rings. I don't want to hear mention of any of these other managers when they are still seemingly shunning anything to do with Billy Martin getting in. I don't love or hate Martin, but he's been overlooked far too long.

Peter_Spaeth · #6 10-21-2023, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Even as a Canadian, I'm perfectly against Gaston getting in. Those teams were plied with ringers brought in for a season or two then sold off. Never cared for those Jays teams. With enough money and desire, anyone can buy a World Series-winning club, and that point was proven in 1992 and '93.

Leyland? How is he even in consideration for anything? Managing for a long time is meaningless in regards to the HOF without some more pennants or rings. I don't want to hear mention of any of these other managers when they are still seemingly shunning anything to do with Billy Martin getting in. I don't love or hate Martin, but he's been overlooked far too long.

Martin should be in for pulling Reggie from right field in the middle of an inning on national TV and then being fully prepared to fight him in the dugout.

mainemule · #7 10-21-2023, 06:15 PM

On the subject of potential future GMs to be elected, as has been discussed, Theo is virtually a lock. I'm not sold on Cashman but he'll certainly merit some consideration.

I think Dave Dombrowski has the credentials having built 4 franchises that made WS (with 2 championships) and he certainly has a shot to win with a 3rd.

Who else GM wise is in the mix?

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