Contemporary Baseball Era Committee for Managers/Executives/Umpires for Hall of Fame

[theshleps]

So hard to predict these things when we look at other marginal candidates that have gotten in. I wouldn't be surprised if none got in and wouldn't be surprised if a few do despite that they may not be deserving

[BioCRN]

As someone who has spent many years snagging Jim Leyland 1986/87 slabs on the cheap, I'm hoping to cash in on the gamble much like 1960 Jim Kaat paid off. That said, I amassed 38 Kaat cards, but only 11 Leyland cards over the years...Leyland graded on the cheap was a bit harder to come by.

I don't have a lot of ballcard hustles, but "overlooked possible" HOF'rs has been a nice niche to turn smaller investments into payoffs that funds things I actually want.

I got a slew of Billy Wagner waiting around, too. Those have gone from "cheap" to being subject to other speculators the last 2-3 years, though.

[rhettyeakley]

Joe West in the HOF would be a joke! One of the worst umpires in the history of the game and an all-around dbag.

[Casey2296]

Joe West has never been a HOF caliber umpire, unless there is a "lets make it all about me" wing.

[packs]

I think one of the hardest criteria to understand for the HOF is the manager. What makes someone a HOF manager? I'm pretty sure the magic number is winning three World Series. I don't think there's a single manager to win three other than Bochy (who isn't yet eligible) that isn't in the HOF.

But what else? I thought Cito Gaston sounded like a silly nomination but what really separates him from Tommy Lasorda? They both won two World Series titles and that's all there really is to say about either of them.

Then there's Whitey Herzog. Why is he in? He won a single World Series and what's really separating him and Jim Leyland?

[brianp-beme]

Judge Landis was caught on camera with this reaction to any potential candidates nominated from this ballot.

Brian

[theshleps]

Whether Leyland, Piniella, Johnson, Gaston get in will be political depending on who the voting committee is, what teams they favor, personal relationships with the candidates etc. We have seen that before and will see it again and again. As an autograph collector I try to get each of the guys before the vote just in case they get in and the price goes crazy but then I also get stuck with lots I do not need

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I think one of the hardest criteria to understand for the HOF is the manager. What makes someone a HOF manager? I'm pretty sure the magic number is winning three World Series. I don't think there's a single manager to win three other than Bochy (who isn't yet eligible) that isn't in the HOF.

But what else? I thought Cito Gaston sounded like a silly nomination but what really separates him from Tommy Lasorda? They both won two World Series titles and that's all there really is to say about either of them.

Then there's Whitey Herzog. Why is he in? He won a single World Series and what's really separating him and Jim Leyland?

Yeah almost nothing of what they do on a day to day basis can be measured. I think it's very hard to know who is a good manager unless you really follow a team closely. Wins of course and even WS are probably much more a function of the team than the manager.

I think Piniella is most likely of this group to get in. Bill White seems to have a great reputation so maybe him too.

[Misunderestimated]

I expect Bill White to get in ... He's pushing 90 so it would nice if they put him in now. i think he's inevitable.

[FrankWakefield]

Of the nominees, in my opinion, Bill White should get in, and probably will get in.

I am fairly sure that I've suggested (argued) with folks here about how someone should be in because he was better than someone else who already got in... And I wish I hadn't. Think about it... "having made one mistake, well hot damn, let's make another mistake." I do think that there are players in the Hall who shouldn't be in. We can't take them out. We don't fix it by adding more marginal (or slightly below) players. Truthfully, we can't do anything but discuss it here, and whine about it with folks we encounter.

White's WAR is about 3 times what Pinella's is. And that should not matter. Connie Mack's WAR was half of Pinella's. Mack should be in as a manager, and moreso because he "trained" a bunch of players who later became managers and coaches, all of whom were better baseball men for having learned from Mr. Mack. Ditto for John McGraw, what a genealogy tree Mr. McGraw would have. And ditto for Branch Rickey (WAR 0.6). The game is better now because of Mr. White's efforts in the Commissioner's office. I don't know of much that Pinella did that made the game better.