Could Brown Lenox Be Related To AB 460?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

A "true-blue" Brown OLD MILL back which most likely resulted when the printer was running tests with the brown ink
he printed the brown HINDU Southern Leaguers.
Furthermore, on this card he also ran printer's tests using the red Factory #649 overprint.


Incidently, this card was in my collection years ago. I believe Ryan is the current owner now.






TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted I'm curious when did you have the Greminger? This is the info that I have on it.
It was purchased by a collector many years ago from Lew Lipset. That collector had it until it was sold in a 2010 REA auction where it was purchased by David Hall who had it until it was sold in a 2019 Heritage auction where it was purchased by Ryan.

Were you the person that purchased it from Lew Lipset?

[Pat R]

Mike emailed me about his Schlei, he louped it and he is going to post about that.

Here is his Schlei on the right compared to this Schlei black Lenox on the left in the 2nd image.

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[MVSNYC]

Prior to 24 hours ago, my son and I were very happy with our "Black" Lenox Schlei. I had never thought of it being Brown, thus had never thoroughly looked at it under a loupe. After seeing Pat's comments about the card potentially being Brown, I decided to look at it more closely. It wasn't the typical Jet Black you see with Lenox, or Carolina Brights. It definitely leaned dark dark Brown, not a true Black. It had a warm hue to it, and felt more "espresso". Pat's side by side comparison above with a true Black example is an accurate visual. I've owned many Lenox's over the years, Black and Brown, after my close analysis in hand, under a loupe, this one leans dark Brown.

Here's a few more images, one is next to a Carolina Brights (true Black), and the others are close ups of the Schlei, adjacent to the black insert in the SGC holder.

(Thanks to Pat for pointing it out and encouraging me take a deeper look at it. If I sell or trade it (which I may, as I already have another Brown Lenox), I will give Pat a little something, as a gesture.)

[Pat R]

Hey Mike happy to help no need to give me anything if you sell or trade it.

The brown Lenox especially the ones with the shade/tint like your Schlei can be difficult to tell until you compare them with a Black Lenox.

[Pat R]

A member has another Willis that is also brown that he sent me images of.

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You can see it better in these images that I adjusted the contrast on which has the same affect on all the cards/colors when they are from the same image.

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[Pat R]

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[jggames]

Hey Pat, love this thread and your investigations so much. I have a couple print group 3s and have laid them over a Murray. You said that ALL print group 3s are some variation of brown ink? Tough to see it in these, what are your thoughts?
Thanks!
Jason