Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I was wrong. There does appear to be a couple of small print lines on the front right border that may have been removed (I say "may have been" because you can still see them in the 8.5 scan but they appear to be significantly less noticeable).

What I looked at, and rolled my eyes at, was his up close comparison to the top back border, which he made a gif image of. After that, I just moved on.

Where do you see recoloring though?

Travis you are better than this and do not need me to point this out. What's going on?

https://postimg.cc/TL6hd3T4

[raulus]

And I guess I now have an altered card in my collection, in spite of my protestations that it's not that common.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=8106

*sigh*

[Peter_Spaeth]

Did any of your high grade "oddball" cards come from Dave Thorn? Small Traditions.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Did any of your high grade "oddball" cards come from Dave Thorn? Small Traditions.

Not that I know of...

But it sounds like they used several distribution channels, so it's hard to tell sometimes.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by raulus

Not that I know of...

But it sounds like they used several distribution channels, so it's hard to tell sometimes.

If you didn't buy direct that's at least a start, but yeah once he was outed I think he started using other outlets, perhaps PWCC. Abd the thing with the hobby is you can't always determine, even with the PSA site, the first sale of a card. So there is always uncertainly.

[G1911]

The 'white armband' is a recurring and common variant on the 1954 Mays. Yet Moser apparently removed it via recoloring. Seems odd to go to the effort, that wouldn't hurt the grade, it's not damage. More evidence we have people who don't really know those particular cards well still doctoring them and PSA being unable or unwilling to put the time in to detect them (or more corrupt explanations available) because they don't know them very well either.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Travis you are better than this and do not need me to point this out. What's going on?

https://postimg.cc/TL6hd3T4

Oof. Apologies. Ya, that's pretty bad. I read everything too quickly and was only looking at the edges, since he highlighted those.

I'd love to see what this card looks like in hand. Specifically his arms and that white border. I don't know how recoloring works, but it sure seems to sneak through a lot more often than we'd all hope.

[Snowman]

When he posted the Mays the first time, I didn't see anything about the recoloring or print lines removed. I believe he only showed the the pictures of the back edges, which he has since reposted. Those images do not bear any evidence of trimming or recoloring of the back edges. That's why I was confused and critical of his prior post. But he has since updated it, or reposted rather, and is now pointing out the recoloring on Mays' forearms, which is clearly there, as Lorewalker pointed out. And the print lines on the right border appear to have been "improved" as well (although I don't believe corndog mentioned those - yet).

[Lorewalker]

He did show the fronts of the cards. Had he not posted those front pics I never could have picked up the obvious recoloring. He was vague as to what had been done.

Also that print line flaw is on many 54 Topps Mays cards (frequently varies in size) however there are some that do not have them (maybe they are recolored too) but I have never seen a 54 Mays with the print line flaw in anything higher than a 7. Assumption is that PSA does not see it as a variation but a flaw that reduces the grade.

Quite a bit of misinformation being tossed around as fact on this thread.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

He did show the fronts of the cards. Had he not posted those front pics I never could have picked up the obvious recoloring. He was vague as to what had been done.

Also that print line flaw is on many 54 Topps Mays cards (frequently varies in size) however there are some that do not have them (maybe they are recolored too) but I have never seen a 54 Mays with the print line flaw in anything higher than a 7. Assumption is that PSA does not see it as a variation but a flaw that reduces the grade.

Quite a bit of misinformation being tossed around as fact on this thread.

I searched DuckDuckGo for "1954 Topps Mays PSA 8" and pulled the first 2 images that result for this search. Result 1 is a PWCC file which Safari doesn't want to download the image, so here's the link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2184996. Result #2 is attached.

Misinformation indeed!

[G1911]

And here's a 9

[Lorewalker]

2 of the examples were graded very early on. 1 of them I have no idea when the cert was used. Those are the first I have seen, not that I have looked for them but if an experienced card doctor recolored it, then it reasons that generally that print flaw results in a downgrade.

And in case we continue this I want to apologize from the bottom of my heart if I upset you in anything I post.