Fake 68 Ryans?

[butchie_t]

The partial black line under the Ryan pic, I don't recall that being a thing with a number of ones I have looked at.

But I am certainly no expert here. They look washed but the pictures ares not that great for sure.

Butch

[Peter_Spaeth]

Do I see white strips on BOTH sides of the cards though (look closely), as well as at the top of one?

[butchie_t]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Do I see white strips on BOTH sides of the cards though (look closely), as well as at the top of one?

Sure seems like white stripes on both sides. It looks like a reflection on the top of the top one. Hard to tell.....

[packs]

It’s a little weird they seem to be so identical. I’d worry about it being two of the same card too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

It’s a little weird they seem to be so identical. I’d worry about it being two of the same card too.

Look at the mark over Koosman's head on one but not the other, I don't think they're identical, unless it's some kind of artifact.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by packs

It’s a little weird they seem to be so identical. I’d worry about it being two of the same card too.

That was the first thing I looked at, and I see differing irregularities on both, including a smudge left of Koosman on the top one.


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[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

The partial black line under the Ryan pic, I don't recall that being a thing with a number of ones I have looked at.

But I am certainly no expert here. They look washed but the pictures ares not that great for sure.

Butch

Yeah, that black line on both is really weird. A lot of MB's seem to be cut with a small bottom border, but some with a bigger border than those don't have any line or marking there. And they do look washed out in these pics...definitely worth the op being extra cautious.

[4reals]

Originally Posted by butchie_t

The partial black line under the Ryan pic, I don't recall that being a thing with a number of ones I have looked at.

But I am certainly no expert here. They look washed but the pictures ares not that great for sure.

Butch

I hadn’t noticed that black line on both when posting. Thank you for pointing that out, Butch. I’ll be anxious to take a deeper look at that and verify the yellow color on the back in person.


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[G1911]

A larger than perfect cut Ryan MB can have white on both sides (the vehicle card above, Ernie Ladd below), the sheets have no 'extra' burlap on those sides so even a tiny fraction of cutting off will show white. It is often a warning sign of trimming if a Ryan doesn't have any white border.

The black line is not known to print defect dorks (not to my knowledge at least, who am I to speak for everyone...) and doing a quick search online, I can't find a picture of one with it.

The pictures are not good enough to really judge. If it is a legit print defect it wouldn't be weird to have 2 of them if they came from the same box originally (a defect usually occurs on X numbers of sheets run before it is fixed or something changes on the press to accidentally fix it) and this is an old collection. It certainly doesn't seem to be a common defect though.

I would be a bit wary, more for the black line.

EDIT: The white border at top is too close to the black frame around Ryan to be real (unless it is glare or something). I will amend my opinion to say this is a fake instead of maybe a fake.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

A larger than perfect cut Ryan MB can have white on both sides (the vehicle card above, Ernie Ladd below), the sheets have no 'extra' burlap on those sides so even a tiny fraction of cutting off will show white. It is often a warning sign of trimming if a Ryan doesn't have any white border.

The black line is not known to print defect dorks (not to my knowledge at least, who am I to speak for everyone...) and doing a quick search online, I can't find a picture of one with it.

The pictures are not good enough to really judge. If it is a legit print defect it wouldn't be weird to have 2 of them if they came from the same box originally (a defect usually occurs on X numbers of sheets run before it is fixed or something changes on the press to accidentally fix it) and this is an old collection. It certainly doesn't seem to be a common defect though.

I would be a bit wary, more for the black line.

I don't recall seeing a MB Ryan with white on both sides, and I've seen a lot. Not saying you couldn't be right, but how likely is it TWO of them would show up at the same time with the same seller?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't recall seeing a MB Ryan with white on both sides, and I've seen a lot. Not saying you couldn't be right, but how likely is it TWO of them would show up at the same time with the same seller?

You'll see them sometimes. I used to have one I traded away, I might still have a scan, I will check for it. It was just well-centered but slightly oversized; most Ryan MB's are not well centered

I say the card is 100% fake because the white border at top is too close to the black frame around Ryan to be real.

Having 2 cards with the same print defect line and cut slightly large isn't necessarily a problem in and of itself; if they were in the same box set they were cut off consecutive or nearly consecutive sheets. It's the above that seals the deal for me.

[Beercan collector]

They almost appear to have another Card or piece of paper underneath them ,
LOL these may be really bad - like a copied reverse side pasted ...

[JollyElm]

Didn't fully read all of the responses, so it may have been mentioned, but the MB Ryan/Kooz card has a telltale sign, a black mark in the lower part of the 'T' in "STARS" (see pic below). The posted pic doesn't show this at all, and the pics themselves really look fake at first glance, just not right (too light, too bland, etc.). I would stay the eff away.

***I AM NOT AN EXPERT***


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[swarmee]

Neither card looks real to me. Why is it being photographed in toploaders? Why does the brown burlap look washed out? Why are there multiple borders showing white on a single card? If the card was 2.5x3.5, even if it was a Milton Bradley, it would only have white showing on one edge.

If I was trying to buy these online, I would only do so if they passed with a number grade at SGC (cheaper and faster than PSA at $15/card now). If you offered that to the seller, and they balked at submitting them to a grading company, you have your answer.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Neither card looks real to me. Why is it being photographed in toploaders? Why does the brown burlap look washed out? Why are there multiple borders showing white on a single card? If the card was 2.5x3.5, even if it was a Milton Bradley, it would only have white showing on one edge.

If I was trying to buy these online, I would only do so if they passed with a number grade at SGC (cheaper and faster than PSA at $15/card now). If you offered that to the seller, and they balked at submitting them to a grading company, you have your answer.

You mean just because the seller wants to meet in a parking lot for a cash deal you're suspicious?